Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
How in god’s name is this promoting worker ownership of Apple’s phone production processes?
Last time I looked, the Soviet, Chinese and North Korean people didn’t own shit.
You just named 3 locations that aren’t socialist and of the three, one that no longer exists. Nice job.
Name just one where workers actually control something for fun.
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
A coop isn’t a country Peter Pan.
Vietnam… but why the hell do you need some rando on Lemmy to educate you?
Name one country that was either socialist or communist in the past that the USA didn’t proactively fuck with to try to harm at the time?
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So, socialism doesn’t exist according to your definition since nowhere on this planet workers control shit.
Ask former Soviet workers, Chinese workers, Cuban workers, North Korean workers and Vietnamese workers how much control on production they have.
Yes you are correct in that real socialism was never implemented.
Socialism is when workers control the means of production and the surplus generated from their work.
When the government controls these things, like with communism, it’s state capitalism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
Grow up, but read a book or two first.
I’ve been to China. I’ve been to Cuba. Have you?
I’ve been to cuba, most I talked to described it as a censorship filled shithole, but that’s over 10 years ago now anyway.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Apparently capitalist systems devolve into authoritarianism; as evidenced by living in 2025.
Don’t tell all the tankies.