• grue@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    The EVs the government really ought to be subsidizing are electric bicycles, not cars.

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      10 months ago

      Right? I wish more people would consider the product life cycle analysis of what they want to purchase. Virtue signaling doesn’t help, and nor does more scrap ending up in a landfill at the end of the cradle to grave trip.

      I’d love an E bike! It would be great to take the train into the city for me and use it to get around. I haven’t been able to afford insurance and still don’t have a driver’s license. It’d save me a killing and allow me to actually save my money than have it guzzled up by gas, car maintenance, and overall way less hassle for me. I’d rather not have to worry about features eventually getting pay walled by the shitfotainment system…

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      10 months ago

      Why? So they can oppress people who have mobility issues? Why is it that every single time some small brained Fuck Cars person posts, it’s horribly and insultingly ableist?

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        10 months ago

        Biking in the Netherlands, you regularly see people with different mobility devices riding in the bike lanes. That’s because bike lanes are also for people with mobility issues. The “anti-car is ableist” argument is actually itself ableist because a lot of people with mobility issues actually can’t drive either. Continued investment in car infrastructure vs bike infrastructure traps these people at home.

        https://youtu.be/B9ly7JjqEb0?si=c-Ah66UjEBhEaCuF

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        10 months ago

        Last year, my sister had her driver’s license suspended because of a medical condition, but she’s still perfectly capable of riding a bike. But the problem is our societal assumption of cars-for-all-whether-you-like-it-or-not means her neighborhood street design is extremely hostile to her getting around by bike safely, and it’s way too sprawling and car-dependent to walk anywhere. There’s also no public transit within a reasonable walking distance.

        So I might ask you: Do you believe people like my sister deserve the same right to mobility as the rest of us? If so, why support a system that make life actively hostile to her and people like her? You act as if disabilities are a monolith, and that cars are only ever their saviors, as if cars are never the thing making life actively more difficult for many people.

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        10 months ago

        You do realize that cars and car centric infrastructure make it harder for disabled people to get places right? You do realize that public transport is infinitly more beneficial to the disabled than cars are right?

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        10 months ago

        What a pathetic attempt at trolling.

        First of all, nothing I wrote was ableist and you fucking know it.

        Second, you say that as if subsidizing cars isn’t itself ableist, since there are plenty of disabled folks who can’t drive and therefore rely on infrastructure that accommodates alternatives like transit and walking.

        In reality, subsidizing biking doesn’t affect the disabled in any way (except possibly to help them by encouraging better lanes and ramps that can be used by both bicycles and wheelchairs). In contrast, further subsidizing car-centrism very much hurts them and you damn well know it.

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    10 months ago

    I don’t drive a car, so where’s my money for saving the planet? Where are my rebates for shoes and bikes?

    Subsidizing the car industry is indeed dumb. I don’t think it’s hurting the economy though, as the goal is to continue to sell and replace millions of cars. Still, the infrastructure for cars is probably costing us much more on the long term though. Maintenance of expressways, space for parkings, and other infra for cars costs billions.

    Just replacing a single expressway interchange in my city cost 4.3 billion! For ONE interchange.

    So again, where are the rebates for people taking public transit? Where are the investments in public transit? Why is it only on the condition of BUYING A CAR?

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      10 months ago

      REI is leading an initiative to give tax incentives for electric bikes. Seems like they are the main voice behind it though and I don’t dare to hope.

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    10 months ago

    Electric cars are still a 3 ton object you’ll needlessly try to dispose of in 5 years.

    Electric cars are here to save the car companies, not the environment.

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    10 months ago

    Is this ai generated ? or is it just poorly photoshoped because there’s a lot of texture detail missing from the image

    Edit: it also looks like someone told it to make Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and it created a Asian-European version of her because the face seems to similar

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    10 months ago

    strawman

    Also, the government didn’t “give” you $7500 “because it’s electric.” You got a tax rebate because of the bargaining of the UAW.

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    10 months ago

    Not only does pink girl have 5 knuckles where one would expect to find only 4, but she’s also somehow in the drivers seat at the same time as Glasses. And she’s wearing her backpack while also seated.

    Man, AI sucks.

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    Electric cars are actually bad for the American economy though…

    Each one takes less labor to build and the overwhelming majority of factories capable of producing ev batteries are overseas.

    So while we can make evs domestically with less labor we now have fewer jobs and one of the most expensive parts of the car is being imported anyway, exerting downward pressure on the domestic workers in assembly.

    So every electric car that replaces an internal combustion car is reducing the gdp in measurable terms.

    Not that gdp is a good measure, but there’s a hard undeniable kernel of truth to the statement that electric cars are bad for the economy and specifically in a way that hurts working class Americans most.

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        10 months ago

        They’re planning on building four, and they paused construction recently as a power play in negotiations when the uaw said battery workers should get the same pay as the machinists.

        I saw that those plants will be making batteries for the new f150, not the much smaller evs that everyone else drives.

        Battery manufacture is part of its own can of worms though, and one that doesn’t make evs look great either.

        I wanna also say that I’m not against spinning down the ice auto industry, but no one who’s suggesting doing that or making fun of people who recognize that it’s the consequence of things that are already happening has a real plan for it.

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            i’m skeptical about electric trucks.

            they’re gonna be a hit with the people who’ve been buying them instead of sedans lately, but the fleet and rural markets are gonna be less inclined to use em and needing a big battery service periodically is gonna change the long term value proposition of a full size truck for a lot of people.

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              but the fleet and rural markets are gonna be less inclined to use em

              I guess we’ll NEVER FUCKING KNOW because they insist on only making MINIVANS FOR INSECURE DADS.

              • me, desperately wanting a practical electric truck
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                I think you’re gonna find out very soon because four battery plants are in the works for trucks.

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      You want to know how I know this isn’t true?

      Because if it were, the big car makers would be rushing the hell out of pushing for killing off ICE cars and switching to 100% EVs like yesterday.

      But yet most of them have put out a mediocre effort at best, offering maybe 2 models to attract the younger market. And even then, good luck actually getting one. You are on a wait list for at least a year, have to deal with dealerships that haven’t bothered to learn anything about them, and if they do miraculously have one on the lot, they’ve been using it as a loaner car, so it’s not even brand new. And while I was shopping around, I ran into multiple instances of the dealership taking the $7500 tax credit for themselves(because the tax credit is tied to the car, not to you buying it) and then having the gall to also mark up the sticker price, “due to high demand”.

      Then other brands have basically outright resisted making them, or will make them, but it seems like they are only doing it to say they are going green. They’ll make like 2000 of the the dopeyiest looking car they can and trickle them out, make no effort to advertise them or mass produce them in any meaningful way. Then claim, “the demand just isn’t there”.

      Like if what you said was true, we would be seeing things like dodge challengers, Ford mustangs(ones that actually look like a mustang, not just a crossover with a horse logo), dodge rams, Ford f150s(yes these exist, but they are trickleing them out, so good luck getting one), jeep Wranglers. Nobody is taking their tried and true cars and making them electric. Well VW is, but not in America with things like the golf and GTI lines.

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        I’m gonna go backwards here:

        We don’t see lots of high drag coefficient evs that look like mustangs because all the features of the mustang that make it look boxy and aggressive are there to accommodate the reality of making air go places it’s needed, across the radiator and into the engine.

        We don’t see ev jeeps because jeeps are (or used to be) relatively lightweight, high torque vehicles whose design choices favor ground clearance over aerodynamics. Evs are relatively heavyweight and benefit most from low ground clearance and good aerodynamics.

        When automakers try to put those designs in an ev buyers react negatively to them, to the point that they have to have ersatz engine noise to be accepted.

        Indeed the wrangler and mustang are so disconnected from normal buying trends that they kept stick shift long after the industry wide move to automatics!

        Those are popular models, but they’re extreme outliers in terms of design.

        Let me address the top part of your reply with a question: if evs are so great and such a slam dunk why has Toyota, famous for not making the wrong choices, stuck with hybrids up until very recently?

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    10 months ago

    I swear, every time I hear this “cars are killing the economy” shit, it’s from some no-car-having-ass twat that’s going to ask me for a ride later that afternoon