Your comment is exactly why electoral reform can’t happen now. When all of the people pushing for changes in the elections really just want to make it so their party will win (or some other party will lose), it’s obvious to everyone the push for electoral reform isn’t being done in good faith, so it’s not all that different from vote rigging.
It’s possible that the CPC might split and if that were to happen, then there might be a broad support for electoral reform. Unless that happens, it’s just a bunch of lefties trying to rig the system so the Conservatives can’t win.
And trust me I’m no Conservative, I can just understand what electoral reform sounds like to anyone outside of the lefty bubble.
Also proportional representation is just straight up a bad system. It only looks good from the perspective of a spreadsheet, it’s terrible when you consider power dynamics. But that shitty system is constantly sucking up all of the attention so people pushing for electoral reform are pushing for a system most people don’t want. Stop trying to make proportional representation happen in Canada, it’s not going to happen.
This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of “elect whoever wasn’t running things when everything got worse”. I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren’t all killed by the usual “strategic voting” nonsense.
I really think it’s Canada’s best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I’d really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I’ve ever seen.
The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I’ll wear Government Specs .
I think “stomping down” is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family… Asking them “how do I change your mind” or “what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side” has shown me some people can’t be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I’m super happy.
Yes. This is sadly the case.
Nothing else will work. You have to yell at them and harass them. Call them stupid children. Stop doing any form of business with them.
For fucks sake, if they are family members cut them out of your life and tell them exactly why you are doing it.
This is the only way you could possibly reform them.
That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don’t stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?
Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.
I’m also curious how I would “stomp down” my family member to not love everything trump does. We’re both Canadian and they haven’t been to the us in my life time…
To me, there’s no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can’t change someone’s mind then I don’t know what will.
Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it’s easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they’re literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I’m sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you’re a nazi sympathizer.
Yea. Fuckers are saying “stomp them down seems harsh”, “maybe he doesn’t mean that”.
STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches.
These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps … it is a one way trip.
Destroy the Canadian “MAGA” movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing.
Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all but just because they’re not following the laws doesn’t mean we can or should ignore the laws. I’m all for letting trump die in the same hole they’re sending the kids to. I also think he should have never been voted in and they need to arrest him months ago.
The MAGA people in general are a problem but they’re not THE problem. If you think they all should be “Stomped down” you’re just as bad as they are, just on a different side.
We need to support and educate people around this and as long as they’re not violent or breaking any laws then there’s nothing that we can really do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and freedom. Just because you disagree with it, regardless of the side you’re on, doesn’t mean we can or should stomp them down.
Let me get this out of the way. We are 100% in agreement or at least 99%. But I don’t think you understand, a large portion of these people ARE the problem. These people couldn’t give a flying fuck about education, that’s why they voted for people to dismantle the education system.
Look, if there still isn’t something you’re getting, it’s probably because you don’t have the bigger picture. The very same “innocent people” you talk about are cheering this on in the US. Don’t assume people’s intentions based on your own.
You’re not talking to an extremist, but someone who has tried to love and educate these people for years. It’s just not working because they already know what they stand for.
My main points are free health care, dont ruin the earth, and minimum wage should be able to afford a life if they work 40 hours a week.
I don’t care the title or label of the party. Show me the person running who is kind, well spoken, and wants these three things and I’ll vote for them.
what would change your mind and have you vote conservative
The cons would have to ditch their main tenets: bootstraps, mercenary healthcare, hating teh geys, hating the ‘ethnics’(my drunkard uncle’s words) … so, yeah: hate. They’d have to ditch hate and smarmy elitism.
As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly immigrating emigrating there) that’s what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn’t too far from Trump’s current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn’t have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada’s next big election.
My hope is that the CCP* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won’t be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won’t learn shit.
Sorry for pedantry but I only mention it in case you’re serious about the move you might end up using the words a lot - in this case you might like the word “emigrate” to describe what you’ll be doing as from your current position you would be describing the action from the “leaving” perspective more than the arriving.
You’re good mate. I actually thought what I wrote seemed wrong when I did it, but I was needing to do something and fired it off without double checking. Thanks.
How do you defeat the Music Man who was basically a con man? I wondered about what they sounded like and looked them up to see if they used hypnosis and con man techniques like Trump. Nope, just basic con man tactics.
Canada is not the United States. Not to say we don’t have our share of problems, but saying that a political flyweight like Petey Rockhare is some sort of Trump is weirdly unfair to both
It’s not about the individual politicians at this stage. It’s about nurturing a certain sentiment until a really popular person comes along and sweeps up a majority. Source: I’m from the US.
Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
An electoral reform wouldn’t hurt.
Your comment is exactly why electoral reform can’t happen now. When all of the people pushing for changes in the elections really just want to make it so their party will win (or some other party will lose), it’s obvious to everyone the push for electoral reform isn’t being done in good faith, so it’s not all that different from vote rigging.
It’s possible that the CPC might split and if that were to happen, then there might be a broad support for electoral reform. Unless that happens, it’s just a bunch of lefties trying to rig the system so the Conservatives can’t win.
And trust me I’m no Conservative, I can just understand what electoral reform sounds like to anyone outside of the lefty bubble.
Also proportional representation is just straight up a bad system. It only looks good from the perspective of a spreadsheet, it’s terrible when you consider power dynamics. But that shitty system is constantly sucking up all of the attention so people pushing for electoral reform are pushing for a system most people don’t want. Stop trying to make proportional representation happen in Canada, it’s not going to happen.
This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of “elect whoever wasn’t running things when everything got worse”. I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren’t all killed by the usual “strategic voting” nonsense.
I really think it’s Canada’s best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I’d really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I’ve ever seen.
The Oranges are in a position to push for RCV (simpler, same seats) and continue the push for dental and vision care. Hell, I’ll wear Government Specs .
IMHO, a minority-red gov is a best-case for us.
I think “stomping down” is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family… Asking them “how do I change your mind” or “what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side” has shown me some people can’t be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I’m super happy.
The ones that can’t be reasoned with; They have to be stomped down. We tried to be nice to the maggots, but it didn’t work.
Yes. This is sadly the case. Nothing else will work. You have to yell at them and harass them. Call them stupid children. Stop doing any form of business with them. For fucks sake, if they are family members cut them out of your life and tell them exactly why you are doing it.
This is the only way you could possibly reform them.
It’s sad to see how many times I’ve seen dehumanising being up voted recently.
Human rights apply even to the worst criminals.
While this is true, I don’t think advocating of “punching fascists” is on a policy level, but rather an individual one.
Why would ask a trans individual to respect the “human rights” of someone that doesn’t even see them as human?
What’s the unpunched fascist versus punched fascist to normal person conversion rate?
Holy shit I thought Reddit leaking into the fediverse was a problem, I hadn’t yet considered 4chan
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That some primo Trump speech right there my guy. How about we don’t stop of anyone and recognize bad social conditions lead people to make bad choices?
Or you can just enjoy your time being the oppressor I guess.
I’m curious why you’re being down voted so hard.
I’m also curious how I would “stomp down” my family member to not love everything trump does. We’re both Canadian and they haven’t been to the us in my life time…
To me, there’s no talking to the extreme of either side. If a logical and factual conversation can’t change someone’s mind then I don’t know what will.
Because 4 year olds with cancer are being sent to concentration camps in the US. If you can politely talk to your family members and reason with them, this is always ideal. I get that it’s easy to be sucked down the alt-right pipeline. But if they’re literal nazis, far beyond reasoning with, I’m sorry. And if that hurts your feelings, you’re a nazi sympathizer.
Yea. Fuckers are saying “stomp them down seems harsh”, “maybe he doesn’t mean that”.
STOMP THEM DOWN. Crush the movement like they are roaches. These people ARE NOT HUMAN! They think like aliens. They cheer as people are unconstitutionally dragged away to concentration camps … it is a one way trip.
Destroy the Canadian “MAGA” movement now, or get prepped to literally fight them in the streets like the US is doing. Yes, people are physically stopping ICE.
Genuinely curious if this isn’t like curb stomping we’re talking about, a metaphorical kind, etc.?
Be careful, dehumanizing your opposition is Nazi shit. I agree they must be stopped but surely some percentage can be deprogrammed.
Doesn’t hurt my feelings at all but just because they’re not following the laws doesn’t mean we can or should ignore the laws. I’m all for letting trump die in the same hole they’re sending the kids to. I also think he should have never been voted in and they need to arrest him months ago.
The MAGA people in general are a problem but they’re not THE problem. If you think they all should be “Stomped down” you’re just as bad as they are, just on a different side.
We need to support and educate people around this and as long as they’re not violent or breaking any laws then there’s nothing that we can really do. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and freedom. Just because you disagree with it, regardless of the side you’re on, doesn’t mean we can or should stomp them down.
Let me get this out of the way. We are 100% in agreement or at least 99%. But I don’t think you understand, a large portion of these people ARE the problem. These people couldn’t give a flying fuck about education, that’s why they voted for people to dismantle the education system.
Look, if there still isn’t something you’re getting, it’s probably because you don’t have the bigger picture. The very same “innocent people” you talk about are cheering this on in the US. Don’t assume people’s intentions based on your own.
You’re not talking to an extremist, but someone who has tried to love and educate these people for years. It’s just not working because they already know what they stand for.
Then how do you deal with it without becoming a problem yourself?
The people who don’t care about education are still people and deserve all the same rights we have. You can’t just send them away.
Cut them out of your life until they change their ways.
I have seen them cry about relatives doing it.
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No. I said what I said. These people are pure evil. They are the new Nazi party.
Well, what would change your mind and have you vote conservative?
Having the conservatives stop trying to harm and kill people would be a start.
But that’s the point. Conservatism is the opposite of progress.
My main points are free health care, dont ruin the earth, and minimum wage should be able to afford a life if they work 40 hours a week.
I don’t care the title or label of the party. Show me the person running who is kind, well spoken, and wants these three things and I’ll vote for them.
The cons would have to ditch their main tenets: bootstraps, mercenary healthcare, hating teh geys, hating the ‘ethnics’(my drunkard uncle’s words) … so, yeah: hate. They’d have to ditch hate and smarmy elitism.
Stomping down is the right phrase. Americans should have been making MAGAs afraid to leave their houses the past four years.
As someone watching from the US (and who has looked at possibly
immigratingemigrating there) that’s what I noticed too. It seemed like the split wasn’t too far from Trump’s current approval rating. Luckily Canada doesn’t have to deal with the disaster that is the electoral college. This result however does make me really concerned about Canada’s next big election.My hope is that the CCP* splits and/or reforms into a more moderate and respectable party, so that at least it won’t be fucking armageddon in the event that they win a future election. But if I know conservatives worldwide, they won’t learn shit.
(Edit: CCP, not UCP)
Sorry for pedantry but I only mention it in case you’re serious about the move you might end up using the words a lot - in this case you might like the word “emigrate” to describe what you’ll be doing as from your current position you would be describing the action from the “leaving” perspective more than the arriving.
You’re good mate. I actually thought what I wrote seemed wrong when I did it, but I was needing to do something and fired it off without double checking. Thanks.
Awesome, good luck if you do move! I’m an American living abroad (China) and it’s always interesting. Cheers.
I mean, the whole reason this happened is they stomped down themselves, with the US power.
The only stomping I want is Stomping Tom Conners
edit: and STOMP
How do you defeat the Music Man who was basically a con man? I wondered about what they sounded like and looked them up to see if they used hypnosis and con man techniques like Trump. Nope, just basic con man tactics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZdong1-fxQ
Canada is not the United States. Not to say we don’t have our share of problems, but saying that a political flyweight like Petey Rockhare is some sort of Trump is weirdly unfair to both
It’s not about the individual politicians at this stage. It’s about nurturing a certain sentiment until a really popular person comes along and sweeps up a majority. Source: I’m from the US.