Well no, if you wanted to keep the discussion to marijuana then you should have stuck to actual criticisms of the drug instead of criticising potential consequences of misuse, which can apply to a lot of things. Driving unimpaired also kills innocent people, do you think driving should be banned?
Can we eliminate misuse? We have to look at it in the real word and the real word shows that misuse would occur like it does with alcohol. Unless misuse could be prevented then marijuana ought to be kept illegal.
Can we eliminate the negative consequences of a war on drugs? We have to look at in the real world and the real world shows that wars on drugs create huge slave labor prison systems for victimless crimes. Unless capitalism has been abolished then drugs wars ought to be opposed
When did I say that we should oppose it in that way? I am saying that marijuana is a social ill. And that it ought to be opposed. It should be opposed by going after distributors, education, and social support for users while also aiming to disrupt the social norms that encourage it. Marijuana is and has been illegal and opposed in many AES states as well for example.
there’s no other way to oppose it without harsh criminalization. If the punishments are light slaps on the wrists then people will just continue doing it, but in unregulated black markets with more criminal elements.
All you do is hand over an ever increasing marketshare to criminal organizations. If you attempt to crack down hard on those organizations, you get a drug war. Congratulations, you have just understood history of drugs and why your opinions are that of an ancient reactionary
Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer and was often more about targeting minorities than the drug. Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain and education users (and parents) about the dangers. Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer
Not true really. The emphasis of legal punishment was always on distribution and retail. Problem is, tens of millions of people “dealt weed” because it was profitable to buy it in bulk and sell it to your friends. Every single person knows 100 people from their high school or college they could get weed from. Millions of people were put into prison for low level drug selling offenses.
more about targeting minorities than the drug.
No shit, we live in a racist fascist nation. Any legal apparatus assembled to punish the poor via class war will disproportionally fall upon the minority classes which are poor. So will whatever drug enforcement scheme you have in mind.
Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain
You want to put tens of millions of children and young adults who have done nothing except buy a pound of weed from their cousin and sell eighths to their friends into jail to be enslaved.
Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
So you want to infringe on people’s bodies and take their fluids at gunpoint? You are a fascist freak if you think this should actually be enforced. Oh I’m sure it wouldn’t be on anyone, just those people
That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues. If a couple people face punishments for selling a drug, I am hardly going to be opposed to that. Marijuana kills many people so they deserve to face just a little bit of the harm that they helped contribute to. Drug tests hardly infringe of people’s bodies. Do you know what does? Hitting someone in a car because a driver was high. Random drug tests are one of the best tools we have to eliminate drug sales. The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it but there are many potential ethical issues with that don’t exist with random drug tests. Not to mention that I specifically referred to treatment centers rather than prisons which you conveniently forget about.
That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues.
You started this entire thread by saying “Dangerous drugs need to be kept off the streets through any means”. Present tense. Any means. Don’t play stupid, we don’t live in a future socialist state. We live in the existing racist, fascist capitalist one that has demonstrably only used the drug war to create mass systems of enslavement. So why don’t you shut the fuck up about hypothetical idealist futures and talk about existing reality? Are you even a marxist with this utopian idealist nonsense?
The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it
The fact that this insane fascist tactic is on the table for you is nuts. Why even mention this shit? This is my line, the evil shit the prohibition governments do to its own people in the name of “protecting” them. Why would you go ahead and mention it when it’s farcically evil?
Well no, if you wanted to keep the discussion to marijuana then you should have stuck to actual criticisms of the drug instead of criticising potential consequences of misuse, which can apply to a lot of things. Driving unimpaired also kills innocent people, do you think driving should be banned?
Can we eliminate misuse? We have to look at it in the real word and the real word shows that misuse would occur like it does with alcohol. Unless misuse could be prevented then marijuana ought to be kept illegal.
Can we eliminate the negative consequences of a war on drugs? We have to look at in the real world and the real world shows that wars on drugs create huge slave labor prison systems for victimless crimes. Unless capitalism has been abolished then drugs wars ought to be opposed
When did I say that we should oppose it in that way? I am saying that marijuana is a social ill. And that it ought to be opposed. It should be opposed by going after distributors, education, and social support for users while also aiming to disrupt the social norms that encourage it. Marijuana is and has been illegal and opposed in many AES states as well for example.
there’s no other way to oppose it without harsh criminalization. If the punishments are light slaps on the wrists then people will just continue doing it, but in unregulated black markets with more criminal elements.
All you do is hand over an ever increasing marketshare to criminal organizations. If you attempt to crack down hard on those organizations, you get a drug war. Congratulations, you have just understood history of drugs and why your opinions are that of an ancient reactionary
Drug war in the United States focused on the end consumer and was often more about targeting minorities than the drug. Harsh criminalization for distributors is best while making it nearly impossible to attain and education users (and parents) about the dangers. Combined with random drug tests and free treatment centers we can end drug addiction.
Not true really. The emphasis of legal punishment was always on distribution and retail. Problem is, tens of millions of people “dealt weed” because it was profitable to buy it in bulk and sell it to your friends. Every single person knows 100 people from their high school or college they could get weed from. Millions of people were put into prison for low level drug selling offenses.
No shit, we live in a racist fascist nation. Any legal apparatus assembled to punish the poor via class war will disproportionally fall upon the minority classes which are poor. So will whatever drug enforcement scheme you have in mind.
You want to put tens of millions of children and young adults who have done nothing except buy a pound of weed from their cousin and sell eighths to their friends into jail to be enslaved.
So you want to infringe on people’s bodies and take their fluids at gunpoint? You are a fascist freak if you think this should actually be enforced. Oh I’m sure it wouldn’t be on anyone, just those people
That is a problem with the current state. In a future socialist state we can eliminate it without these issues. If a couple people face punishments for selling a drug, I am hardly going to be opposed to that. Marijuana kills many people so they deserve to face just a little bit of the harm that they helped contribute to. Drug tests hardly infringe of people’s bodies. Do you know what does? Hitting someone in a car because a driver was high. Random drug tests are one of the best tools we have to eliminate drug sales. The only other method that would be anywhere near as a effective would be the government undercutting suppliers by selling at a lose and poisoning it but there are many potential ethical issues with that don’t exist with random drug tests. Not to mention that I specifically referred to treatment centers rather than prisons which you conveniently forget about.
You started this entire thread by saying “Dangerous drugs need to be kept off the streets through any means”. Present tense. Any means. Don’t play stupid, we don’t live in a future socialist state. We live in the existing racist, fascist capitalist one that has demonstrably only used the drug war to create mass systems of enslavement. So why don’t you shut the fuck up about hypothetical idealist futures and talk about existing reality? Are you even a marxist with this utopian idealist nonsense?
The fact that this insane fascist tactic is on the table for you is nuts. Why even mention this shit? This is my line, the evil shit the prohibition governments do to its own people in the name of “protecting” them. Why would you go ahead and mention it when it’s farcically evil?