I’m not disparaging progressives in the slightest, I’m saying we get some wins sometimes. We do succeed in improving things sometimes.
Just telling you how you read to others. Especially with the weird “That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic.” type comments.
You read like someone chastising people for being angry that their issues haven’t received redress.
So, what’s the difference between “things don’t change” and “things will not change”?
Thinking that things won’t change with Murdoch’s retirement is not the same as things never change anywhere.
I can see that, but I think it should be pretty clear that the one disparaging progressives is the one saying things will not change, even though the mission of progressives is to change things.
My position is a more complicated one that requires some thinking about, but it is fully consistent with wishing for and fighting for an improved world.
Don’t you think it might just be a little reasonable to wish for, not a perfect, problem-free world, but one that is simply improved over the one we have? I think by setting our expectations a little more realistically, we can help avoid a lot of the harmful, negative emotions that have gotten so common, and that don’t really do much to help due to how de-motivating the sensation of hopelessness can be.
Ah, direct personal attacks and insults instead of a single rational counter-argument. I almost thought this was going to be a real conversation. Ah well, maybe I should’ve known better.
As others have also noted in this comment section, you come across as someone who doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about, but floats these trivial truisms, while pretending that everyone else is disagreeing with these common sense truths.
It’s just the most surface-level observations, while strawmanning everyone else as too extreme, and then acting like an “enlightened” smartarse.
Just telling you how you read to others. Especially with the weird “That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic.” type comments.
You read like someone chastising people for being angry that their issues haven’t received redress.
Thinking that things won’t change with Murdoch’s retirement is not the same as things never change anywhere.
I can see that, but I think it should be pretty clear that the one disparaging progressives is the one saying things will not change, even though the mission of progressives is to change things.
My position is a more complicated one that requires some thinking about, but it is fully consistent with wishing for and fighting for an improved world.
Don’t you think it might just be a little reasonable to wish for, not a perfect, problem-free world, but one that is simply improved over the one we have? I think by setting our expectations a little more realistically, we can help avoid a lot of the harmful, negative emotions that have gotten so common, and that don’t really do much to help due to how de-motivating the sensation of hopelessness can be.
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Ah, direct personal attacks and insults instead of a single rational counter-argument. I almost thought this was going to be a real conversation. Ah well, maybe I should’ve known better.
I’ve written multiple responses to you addressing what you said. So kindly pull your head out of your arse. Insufferable debatebro.
Debatebro? How about someone that just likes discussing complex topics instead of endless pointless circlejerking?
As others have also noted in this comment section, you come across as someone who doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about, but floats these trivial truisms, while pretending that everyone else is disagreeing with these common sense truths.
It’s just the most surface-level observations, while strawmanning everyone else as too extreme, and then acting like an “enlightened” smartarse.
Your feelings are noted.
Yeah, just like that.