Basically title, with System76 moving from gnome to their new rust built COSMIC environment what are your thoughts?

  • open_world@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    1 year ago

    I’m incredibly interested in COSMIC DE! For multiple different reasons, actually.

    1. Rust - I’m very interested to see how performant/memory-efficient this DE will be compared with other DEs. Also, I wonder how the Iced toolkit will evolve and be adopted in other projects.
    2. Benefits over GNOME - I’m looking forward to seeing how much out-of-box customizability and features come with COSMIC over GNOME (which I’m currently using).
    3. Maintainability going forward - Since the DE basically started from scratch and is using a much better language for robust software, I wonder how much easier and faster it would be to maintain the desktop environment. This potential improved maintainability could be huge in overtaking other DEs sometime soon.
      • apt_install_coffee@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        1 year ago

        It’s not, perhaps they meant memory-safe?

        The DE might be more memory efficient given the hindsight and freedom a fresh slate brings, but not strictly due to rust.

        • Michael Murphy@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          1 year ago

          There’s several things that make Rust more ideal for writing software that makes efficient use of resources than C or C++.

          One of these is how cumbersome it is to use tagged unions in C/C++. They’re integrated as a first class citizen in Rust in the form of enums, and both the standard library and all Rust projects as a whole utilize them extensively. An example would be the Cow<'a, T> type. The compiler also has some clever tricks like zero-sized types which can reduce the size of types which contain them.

          On the surface, the borrowing and ownership model is useful for guaranteeing memory safety. Yet if you take that a step further, it’s the perfect tool for finely optimizing resource usage with confidence. In comparison, defensive programming practices are the norm in C and C++ because resource management is risky. So applications written in Rust are more likely to be better optimized.

  • lightrush@lemmy.caEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Skeptical. Writing a graphical UI toolkit is a freight train of work. I’m positively curious about anything that’s not GTK but I’m not sure going with a new toolkit is the right decision. Qt is the mature kid on the block that’s been proven in more environments than I can count. Moreover it’s a complete application framework with a ton of convenience libraries needed for speedy development already included. I guess those can be supplanted in the form of separate Rust libs. Personally I’d have gone with Qt for such a project but I’d be happy to be proven wrong.

  • Jure Repinc@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    1 year ago

    A couple of months ago our company decided to standardise on only one GNU/Linux distro and they chose PopOS. While the default desktop is better then stocj GNOME it was still far away to what I am used from the powerful, featureful and customizable KDE Plasma so after about two weeks I switched to KDE Plasma (unfortunately they have an extremely old version in their repos, but still much better).

    I can only guess that Cosmic will be on pair to their current improved GNOME but will still be way lacking compared to what even an old KDE Plasma offers. And I would also much more like to see if they put more attention to keeping more updated KDE Plasma and KDE software packages in their repo. Even for Cosmic I think they would be much better of basing it on the extremely flexible and configurable KDE Plasma base and make it a heavy modification of this.