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Nice. Good looking out.
Interesting, just to check, do you know from where the term Nazi (National Socialist) came from?
From the same intellectual honesty that “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” comes from.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.”
— Jean-Paul Sartre
I thought we had all agreed that we punch nazis? LIke was this not the agreed apon reaction. If you had something more dangerous than a fist I would say you could use that… but this feels overly cowardly
If you had something more dangerous than a fist I would say you could use that… but this feels overly cowardly
Na dawg. This is why I carry. I have a bad back so I’m not fucking around like that.
I need the Nazi to make the first move anyway.
how many nazis have you punched
It has been a while, but it used to happen around once a week a back in the day. They used to show up to music venues they weren’t wanted at, and if made to leave, would start fights. If they were returning from a place they got the boot from, they would just poor in and start fighting. If it wasn’t a place they could just enter, they would congregate outside.
Several for sure. Back in my 20’s at parties and punk shows. Nazi punks fuck off!!
I have indeed punched nazis.
I was involved in martial arts for nearly two decades, I attended many tournaments in that time. I don’t make any claims of being an amazing fighter but I was able to hold my own and I can really take a hit.
There is a huge spectrum of tournaments out there. Some of these venues were far less strict than others, and basically let in anyone who was good at faking being from an actual karate school, because some hosts just cared about collecting entry fees. This was a long ass time ago, I have no idea if it’s still like this now.
So there were almost inevitably a scattering of delusional psychopaths who just wanted to fight, from gang-members to college kids who watched Bruce Lee films so many times they thought they knew how to fight. And of course a few tattoo-plastered biker types who were able to set aside their ego enough to actually put on a gi and follow tournament etiquette. (Love those black belts that are so stiff you can tell they’ve never been worn before that day.)
So it’s easy enough to see things like hate symbols tattooed on some people’s chests or arms. I am proud to say that I have gone against some of these chucklefucks and hit them hard enough that they fell down and had a hard time getting back up. One just left after the first hard kick to the nuts. Fortunately (and unfortunately) the same kinds of tournaments that let just anyone in also seemed really lax about enforcing “light contact” rules and people were routinely just smashing each other as hard as possible, and why I eventually stopped doing tournaments.
For legal reasons I am not sure I should state the amount of fist fights I have been in on the internet
i think it’s important to note that “1488” especially the 88 is a Nazi dog whistle.
Gotcha. Summary:
Group name: Some shit that 12-year-olds would be embarrassed to use as a gang name, but surprise, the guy who came up with this shit was 60+ or something
Ideology: The same ol’ shit, you’ve heard it all before
Identifiers: Well, this kind of shit, they kind of stick out from the crowd
What to do: The usualSo, the plan is “the usual”: continue to minimize the threat and ignore it.
This is good advice on it’s face, but what if you’re living in a country full of Nazis?
Like, let’s say - hypothetically - the cops are Nazis. And all your mass media is full of Nazi agitprop. And friends and family are periodically repeating Nazis talking points. And you are feeling increasingly isolated by the sheer madness of the outside world.
Hypothetically, of course.
If you’re seeing Nazis everywhere, then definitely move.
But be careful. In my country, anti-authoritarism dog whistling has made Nazis out of anyone who gives out a parking ticket or tells ya not to drink on that section of the park with your glass bottles. Every fire marshall is a fascist, every doctor a Mengele, every cop a thug.
But this isn’t TV. They’re not. Maybe everyone you see isn’t a Nazi but a misguided voter who’s fallen for some populist grift. Stay and help limit the spread of that taint; even if it’s just by laughing at the racists and alpha chads.
And if you’re going to have an overstuffed gathering for the indoor fireworks show at your apartment, make sure you’re not sick and also don’t park there.
You know what’s crazy? People who are Nazis would say exactly this about the “Woke” Society. They see no difference in accepting Trans people and killing minorities. Just take a sharp look at the conservative narrative.
“Green Fascist’s with woke ideology” to what about their way of live.
People who are Nazis would say exactly this about the “Woke” Society.
It reminds me of the left/right split during the Iranian Revolution. Folks love to post pictures of “Before 1979” with the wealthy kids of the industrial elites dressed like EU/US fashionistas. Iranian progressives saw this as a privilege of the elites that shouldn’t be exclusive to the upper end of society. Iranian conservatives saw it as a symptom of elitism that shouldn’t be permitted at any tier of society.
After the revolution, conservative Iranians (very briefly) aligned with conservative Americans, as the Ayatollah and the Reagan/Thatcher governments aligned on this idea of regressive religious anti-Communism. But then Iran didn’t open itself back up as a western gas station, so the American white supremacists and the Iranian Islamic supremacists fell back into conflict again.
Then it was just two ultra-orthodox conservative groups screaming “Woke Decadent Radicals!” at one another, while everyone around them were ground to paste by the slew of wars to follow.
Awesome explanation. The similarities are striking. I don’t understand why people have the tendency to interfere with others lives. Conservatives have a fetish for this.
I don’t understand why people have the tendency to interfere with others lives
Codifying cultural norms into law is a normal part of politics. The big question is what you want to normalize.
Tbh, if that’s the case then, I will just join in a Marxist group that is serious about arm resistance. I’m too poor to move out anyway.
“What sane person could live in this world and not be crazy?” - Ursula K. Le Guin
Have you considered moving?
Sadly, I’m an English speaker so I’m very limited in my options.
You mean the most widespread language on earth?
But you always have the option to learn another language. It just takes some effort. It is easier to do than it ever has been before in history.
Finding an employer to sponsor you in most countries is exceedingly difficult for most Americans. We can’t just move, unfortunately. There are strict immigration laws in most countries.
There were entire subreddits dedicated to this topic in the before-days. We need a Lemmy community for this complex topic.
Unless they’ve changed policy in the last six months, Portugal will take nearly anyone with stable remote work and fast track them to EU citizenship. This was/is the most viable choice for US citizens.
You are thinking of their nomad visa (D8) which takes 5 years and requires a monthly income of at least $3200 Eur/mo. The problem has always been getting a U.S. employer to allow you to work remote AND out of country.
HR and payroll departments absolutely hate letting remote workers live outside the country because it makes tax liabilities and benefits complicated for them. So, it’s quite rare to find a U.S. company that will do it. Even most multi-national megacorps are assholes about it.
But, if you are a successful freelancer with a very reliable income from non-Portuguese sources, then this may be an option. Most of us don’t fit that bill, unfortunately. Hell, most Americans struggle just to get a hybrid work situation. The idea of international remote or stable freelancing is quite a tall order.
When I pursued it there was a provision for the administrative tax burden of the employer. My employer withheld as usual for a US worker, then I would also need to file and post-pay Portugal’s taxes.
Double taxation; an employer comfortable with it; new culture; national economic issues: I agree it’s a tall order for the vast majority of Americans. And, it also seemed the most viable option. I think we agree that emmigration is quite difficult.
Find yourself a nice blue city and move into the suburbs. Lots of good jobs too.
Come to New Zealand.
We still have Nazis but they spend all their energy on hating the Māori population.
Didn’t the country’s government get a little dark for a term? How’s that working?
It fucking sucks.
Thats ok, us Maori spend our whole time hating normal kiwis, who then hate nazis. They just need to slot in and direct theirs in the right direction (/s).
I mean, what are they really going to do - deport us back home? Actually don’t answer that, they may try it.
I realised after posting that my post could easily be read contrary to what I meant too; it could easily read like I’m minimising the problems Māori face (TL;DR: colonisation).
I was trying to imply that an immigrant could be spared attention from our Nazis because the Nazis are already busy being Nazis to Māori.
It’s not like our government has spent the last 150 years being Nazis… Ah shit.
All good - I actually wish some of us would stop using the last 150 years as an excuse. Did we have to deal with alot of shit - absolutely, and a not 0 ammout is still ongoing. But FFS, the opportunities are there if you stop using it as an excuse to not do better.
My ancestors spent generations screwing over Māori, maybe not personally (I don’t know) but I’m not prepared to give them a pass on it.
I’m quite happy to let some laziness slide or some rules being taken advantage of or me personally having some tax dollars pent when it’s making up for generations of actual evil.
I’ve been studying our history and it’s pretty fucked… It’s not what we got taught in school.
Complain about it online and hope someone else does something about it, as far as I can tell.
So many 3% stickers on cars around my area
Everyone of the people I know who have the sticker/tattoo aren’t Nazis, they are big into guns and tend to be anti-government though.
Three percent is from the population% that supported the American revolution at its inception, at least that’s what I’ve understood of it.
I’m sure there are plenty of Nazis that also claim to be 3%ers but I’ve never known it to be a Nazi thing, maybe they have tried to claim it.
Similar to the OK hand sign I will never see it as a symbol of nazism/white supremacy.
Most of those stickers aren’t Nazis
Should give them a 3% brick through the back window. /s
Using the ceramic piece of a spark plug as the “bullet” and just about any sort of sling will break the cars windows without setting off most car alarms.
3% not brick works better.
Maybe do something like siphon all but 3% of the gas from the tank and let a similar amount of air from their tires
That last line needs to be in all caps at the top. Never call the cops on Nazis, it’ll just mean more Nazis putting the boot in.
This is like basic common sense that is drilled into you from a young age if you’re not white.
Got a problem and you call the cops? Now you’ve got two problems.
I’m white and even as a kid I felt unsafe around cops. As early as maybe 13 I’d reached this conclusion on my own.
I’m not sure what took everyone else the extra few decades.
They teach kids in school that cops are your friends, which you would think is some kind of state sanctioned indoctrination program, but it’s actually just naiveté on the part of the educators. If you meet a cop, does it feel like they’re your friend, or does it feel like someone puffing up their chest to try and intimidate you even when you’ve done nothing wrong?
This is so goddamn exhausting.
Thirty years ago I was reading poorly photostatted (sic) fliers at the local record shop explaining the difference between Nazis with red shoelaces and Nazis with yellow shoelaces. It was exhausting then, too. They’re all basic bitch Nazis. Treat them the same way you would treat a potentially harmful arthropod, like a scorpion. You don’t have to be a fucking entomologist to understand this shit.
Shun the Nazi. Leave it alone. Don’t ask for help from Nazis.
TIL Best Buy employees are part of the Patriot Front.
I knew they had it out for Radio Shackers, it just took them a while to admit it.
Is it still acceptable to wear a S.H.A.R.P. patch? Don’t they have a Spartan helmet on it?
Pussy as Nazis hiding their faces. Be a man, show your face, so someone can throw a brick at it.
I’m sure they’ve convinced themselves that it’s the “woke mob” that will unjustly cancel them like they did the kind chaps carrying tiki torches in Charlotte. /s
A brick doesn’t care about a mask.
Or you know…multiple.
Where’s the elephant in the room?
