I was talking this with a friend and we were checking where homosexuality is criminalized and we realized there is a correlation with muslim countries.

  • electrogamerman@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
    31·
    1 year ago

    France is going full apartheid against Muslim these days in the name of fucking laicity! What do you think will be next when they were protesting against gay marriage a few years ago?

    So your plan is to fight for Muslims to be well integrated into the country, and then, once there are muslisms, who are homophobic and have penalty of death/life jail in their countries, then we can fight for lgbt rights? Does that really sound good to you?

    Imagine, we are already struggling for lgbt rights in west europe and you want to introduce a group of people that are clearly against lgbt rights…

    We should fight for human rights, not against this or that colour of fascism.

    Are arab countries also fighting for human rights?

    Because people don’t care about your god if you don’t have the right color.

    I dont care for anyones god. Once again, we are already struggling to get lgbt rights from christians, and now we have to fight for rights against muslisms too?

    • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      Yes. You have to fight for lgbt rights against everyone unfortunately. It’s not a matter of religion, it’s a matter of idiots attack any minority.

      You may not realize it, but lgbt and Muslims are in the same boat. Fighting eachother will only make fascists happy. But once one will be bleeding to death, the other will be the new target. They only care about having a minority to blame for all the problems, so they have people to beat to death. It won’t solve any problem, but that’s how fascism work.

      You don’t fight intolerance with intolerance. Especially if you are a minority that’s not in power. That’s what fascist Muslim are doing and you can see how it is a success for them. Lgbt are not enough so they are also killing women and Christians.

      BTW the women problem means it’s not even a matter of minority.

      • electrogamerman@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
        32·
        1 year ago

        Yes. You have to fight for lgbt rights against everyone unfortunately. It’s not a matter of religion, it’s a matter of idiots attack any minority.

        Im sorry but I am not going to fight for rights for people that are against lgbt rights. That will only bring the removal of lgbt rights in the future.

        You may not realize it, but lgbt and Muslims are in the same boat. Fighting eachother will only make fascists happy. But once one will be bleeding to death, the other will be the new target. They only care about having a minority to blame for all the problems, so they have people to beat to death. It won’t solve any problem, but that’s how fascism work.

        I 100% agree with you here about fascism. Unfortunately, LGBT are at a disadvantage here, as Muslisms are clearly against LGBT rights. LGBT rights in West Europe are not perfect, but at least we have some and we are still fighting for them, we cannot bring groups that are clearly against them.

        You don’t fight intolerance with intolerance

        Unfortunately, you do. There is a thing called the paradox of tolerance:

        Philosopher Karl Popper described the paradox of tolerance as the seemingly counterintuitive idea that “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” Essentially, if a so-called tolerant society permits the existence of intolerant philosophies, it is no longer tolerant.

        You cannot fight intolerance with tolerance.

        • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
          25·
          1 year ago

          Ok, you’re actually acting like all Muslims are against lgbt. You’re half a fascist already.

          • electrogamerman@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
            32·
            1 year ago

            you’re actually acting like all Muslims are against lgbt.

            and that’s why the maps are a good source of information. The laws of muslim countries against LGBT doenst help to think otherwise.

            • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
              12·
              1 year ago

              Those countries are not democracies. You understand what that means don’t you?

              • electrogamerman@lemmy.worldOPMEnglish
                41·
                1 year ago

                That doesnt matter at all. The point is, muslims are taught to be against homosexuality from childhood. If thats right or not, if thats a democracy or not, etc it doesnt matter. Muslims are against homosexuality. Dont come and say “but thats not all muslims”, because yes the majority of them are.

          • Seriouslyblack@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            Way to completely ignore everything else they were saying. You’re determined to be right even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.