• Kroxx@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    As an organizer in my free time it’s hardly unrealistic to suggest other people do the same.

    Im sure as someone who does it everyday you do think that

    God forbid political power take work and time. Better to be ineffectual and rhetorically entrench the sociopathic status quo, eh

    This is the largest point I’m trying to make the time and effort it will take cannot be completed before the election. I mean you even agreed:

    Do you think this can be organized 1 before the election, 2 before the election with enough time to actually change things in it

    Your response was No.

    Yes. This is how it has been for hundreds of years. People with less time and means did far more than this

    Do you think every American agrees and will just jump on board?

    And to defend the status quo.

    No defending it I hate it but stop acting like it can change before the election, it is not enough time which is my point, not a defense.

    How much time do you spend on social media, for example? Why not spend that time organizing meetings?

    Couple hours after work, 10 mins before work, and while shitting. Drive times alone wouldn’t be meet with this time.

    How on earty could you ever take credit for anything?

    Don’t know what I took credit for but sure

    Do you even live in a swing state?

    Do you even live in America?

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      3 months ago

      Im sure as someone who does it everyday you do think that

      I don’t do it every day. But I do it often enough to be reliable and have good capacity.

      But it’s not just me nor has it ever been. People from all nations have done this. People in far worse conditions. It is necessary and, historically, feasible so long as you can break false consciousness.

      This is the largest point I’m trying to make the time and effort it will take cannot be completed before the election. I mean you even agreed

      To begin building the necessary project you have to reject the political election myopia that our masters impose on us. Politics does not restart every 2-4 years. Only long-term engagement and the development and wielding of leverage will ever liberate us.

      Do you think every American agrees and will just jump on board?

      No, but why do they need to? Our task requires work and time. You keep acting like this makes it impossible. I suggest that this is a learned helplessness, of internalizing the false idea that there is no alternative. In fact, there has always been an alternative and others have blazed trails.

      No defending it I hate it but stop acting like it can change before the election, it is not enough time which is my point, not a defense.

      It is already a defense in that it is a form of apologetics for the genocidal status quo. It defends and entrenches the idea that your job, politically, is to decide who to cheerlead with a vote. It normalizes accepting and tolerating the genocide of Gaza, as even that us not enough for you to take sufficient pause. You are lost in propaganda, but you can free yourself through education.

      Couple hours after work, 10 mins before work, and while shitting. Drive times alone wouldn’t be meet with this time.

      A common dedicated organizing commitment is 1-2 meetings per week (often online) and around one action per month. Though there are often opportunities to do what works around anyone’s schedule.

      Don’t know what I took credit for but sure

      There is a tendency in bourgeois electoralism to dramatically exaggerate the impact of a given activity. Usually, but not always, voting. The purpose is to make the target audience feel like what they were told to do matters, was worthwhile, and to keep them doing it. This is what I am referring to by credit - of an exaggerated assignment of value to the activity I was responding to.

      Do you even live in America?

      Why would that matter? My question to you does matter: if you don’t live in a swing state your presidential vote is as worthless as it gets.

      What would your point be if I were or were not American? Please don’t be xenophobic.