I know that it’s popular to dismiss President Biden. I get it. He’s old. This is the first election featuring the 2 oldest candidates, ever. So what? The future of the WORLD is literally dependent on this election. To boot Biden from the ticket and try to bootstrap another candidate is madness. Booting this incumbent and hoping his VP will succeed is like firing the cook and hoping the dishwasher will give you Michelin-quality food. Stick with the old man, and figure out a way to enact his popular policies while also expanding the Supreme Court, enacting term limits and limiting “Christian” Nationalists.

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    A political party operating like a political party is not a “conspiracy.” Political parties are literally groups of people that work together to achieve political goals.

    Party members had the freedom to defy their Party but that would be seriously detrimental to their political careers within the Party. People chose to follow the Party’s direction because that’s how political parties are supposed to work. It’s like when Obama called all the also-rans and told them to drop out and endorse Biden in 2020. The choice was theirs back then, too, but it’s not as simple as everyone just spontaneously deciding to run or not run or drop out all on their own with zero input from the Party.

    That’s not a conspiracy! That’s just a political party operating like a political party. I don’t know why this is so hard to accept.

    And it’s not too late for the Party to fix this fucking mess.

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      That last line right there is the problem. Tell me, how can the party fix this mess if Biden, for whatever reason, simply refuses to drop out? Is there some mechanism or method by which the party can force him out, short of attempting to enact the 25th amendment and hoping Congress agrees?

      You’re minimizing the personal freedom these individuals have to defy their party, giving the party an unrealistic amount of behind-the-scenes power. This is conspiratorial.

      Bernie did not cooperate with the party, isn’t even officially a member. Still doing fine though. This party apparatus does not have the actual degree of control people like to think, it can only sway, lobby and pressure. People simply like to blame it at every opportunity, out of convenience mainly.

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        Tell me, how can the party fix this mess if Biden, for whatever reason, simply refuses to drop out?

        Threaten to invoke the 25th Amendment.

        I should point out that they don’t really care if he loses. If he loses, oh well, Trump is great for the Party because they can use him to fund-raise and make electoral gains. He’ll probably fuck up as badly as he did in his first term and they’ll get a new majority.

        Why wouldn’t they just run the genocidal mummy, let him lose, and then start over in 2028? The Public’s memory is short, after all.

        Bernie did not cooperate with the party, isn’t even officially a member.

        Bernie has a personal political brand that’s strong enough to withstand the Party. He can afford to defy the Party. Bad comparison.

        People simply like to blame it at every opportunity, out of convenience mainly.

        The Party gets the blame for when their coalition fucks up. Parties are accountable for their membership.

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          The 25th amendment requires both houses of congress to vote in favor of replacing the president with a 2/3rds majority. Republicans control the house, and are unlikely to comply. Additionally, unless he actually is legitimately unfit, it would be unethical for his cabinet and VP to make that assertion.

          It’s a pipe dream. There isn’t actually an answer when we get into the nitty gritty legal details.

          The reason to not allow Trump to win, incidentally, is proj 2025 and his new SC granted legal immunity. He already tried to overthrow one election, in case you don’t remember.

          You’re living in conspiracy land to make yourself feel better about why progressives aren’t in charge more often. The real answer is we just don’t outnumber the moderates in most places.

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            The 25th amendment requires both houses of congress to vote in favor of replacing the president with a 2/3rds majority. Republicans control the house, and are unlikely to comply. Additionally, unless he actually is legitimately unfit, it would be unethical for his cabinet and VP to make that assertion.

            You think Republicans would turn down the chance to remove Biden from office?
            How, exactly, would the explain that to their constituents? 🤨

            The reason to not allow Trump to win, incidentally, is proj 2025 and his new SC granted legal immunity.

            Yes, which is why they should be trying to replace Biden, because making him the nominee is guaranteeing a second Trump term. The fact that they won’t even try and most of the party is lining up behind him as the nominee shows me that they don’t actually believe there’s a real danger.

            You’re living in conspiracy land to make yourself feel better about why progressives aren’t in charge more often. The real answer is we just don’t outnumber the moderates in most places.

            The literal purpose of political parties and their power to both influence elections and party membership isn’t a conspiracy, this is ludicrous, this is the function of political parties. It’s not just a fan club. They exist to set the agenda, platform, and manage the coalition. You’re basically denying that political parties perform a function.

            In your world, what even is the purpose of political parties?

            This isn’t even about progressive politics. This is about a genocidal mummy driving us off a cliff and guaranteeing a second Trump term.

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              Simple, they think Biden is a weak candidate, and they have the best chances of beating him. Several have made statements towards this effect.

              So, any other ideas for how Biden can be removed beyond republicans voting for a stronger opponent?

              Your conspiracy is this hanging on to some way to control events when no mechanism exists. You are exaggerating a true thing (the purpose of parties) into something untrue (control over events). Very simple.

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            if the vice president and either a majority of the executive Cabinet or a review body appointed by Congress declare in writing that the president is unfit for office, then the vice president immediately becomes the acting president.

            That wouldn’t be enough to LITERALLY remove him, but it would be such a strong signal of disavowal from people who he himself appointed that he’d be effectively dead to the party already.

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              True. It would still be unethical unless he was actually medically unfit, though. Regardless of debate performance, he’s probably not actually senile yet, which they would know better than we would just from working with the guy regularly.

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                It would still be unethical unless he was actually medically unfit

                Which he clearly is.

                Regardless of debate performance, he’s probably not actually senile yet

                Hard disagree there.

                which they would know better than we would just from working with the guy regularly.

                Or they’d know better how to hide and deny it for the sake of their own careers.

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                  Disagreement is fine. Awareness and intelligence are objectively measurable things though. They’re not slipping up names, like say, calling one child a different child’s name or not being able to deal with a gish gallop of falsehoods. The medical bar is much higher than what we lay people might judge from our standards of “normal”.

                  I doubt VP Harris is hiding any form of disability for her own career, since it would not help her career. She would be best served personally by having the most competent administration possible, or leading it herself.

                  Conspiracies are fun, but they tend to fall apart when careful analysis is applied.