You didn’t say anything inaccurate, but you also appear to be missing the point almost entirely.

“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

This isn’t about clinical reporting standards. This is about being able to regulate social settings based on sex instead of gender. By legally clarifying the definitions, there can be no confusion when they follow this up with banning male-sexed individuals from female-gendered bathrooms.

Umm… I hate to tell you this but this is propagating some pretty harmful misinformation…

The reactions to medications are actually more closely tied to the hormone balance and body fat distribution of a person than their sex. It’s a common issue in the trans community where birth certificates are non-updatable that a doctor will prescribe meds for a person’s birth sex but because they are fully transitioned through HRT they get the effects more common to their phenotype presentation. This means that treatment is more commonly in line with their gender identity because of their hormonal medication and other procedures like an orchiectomy that make a person more similar to where they transitioned to then where they transitioned from.

With trans paitents by and large the safer way to behave is to go with the “if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and talks like a duck… If you are in a pinch and can’t ask them for specifics because they can’t talk - treat them like a duck.” While a lot of doctors aren’t super well versed in trans specific healthcare it remains a huge problem inside the community for trans women particularly being dosed like cis men which often means they respond like cis women to a lot of different things which is on average a little more scary because meds often linger longer than is expected in trans women’s tissues just like cis women. Sometimes this causes some cascading problems.

Pharmacology wise the way trans folks react to different medications is still a bit of a frontier science… But dollars to donuts “just treat em like their birth sex and call it a day” is way too simplistic a take. The lived experience and often physical nature of gender do not stay nicely behind a cordon marked “politics”. Trans ignorance in healthcare can be very scary for someone whose endocrinologist has informed them what they should be given and treated like and then some hotshot resident could just decide to not listen should the trans person in question be placed in a position where they are in extreme distress and have to self advocate and educate the person caring for them on what may be the worst day of their life.

This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care… […] Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.

Surely that was the intention 👀

“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

The Nebraska and Oklahoma orders both include definitions for the words “man,” “boy,” “woman,” “girl,” “father” and “mother.”

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And it looks like lemmy is just Reddit again, except at least on Reddit you can find an informed opinion before the bottom of the thread. This thread is completely devoid of critical thinking…

This is a really dismissive way to deal with disagreements (also peak reddit behavior, it’s only missing the “edit:”)

Sex is far more complicated than just what is assigned at birth. Especially if you take stuff like hormones into consideration.

Nature doesn’t work in discrete categories. Almost everything in nature is fluid and amorphous to some degree. Exceptions to every rule humans can think of.

And if you talk about sex about purely what gametes you have, then that isn’t really very useful to talk about in practice outside of reproduction. When laymen talk about sex, they mean perceived sex more than anything else (and to prove the point, the article talks about sexed places and such…). Leave anything else to medical professionals.

Yes, and we all know that was the intention behind this order. To protect people from incorrect medical reporting 🙄.

The people you’re seemingly mad at never wanted to make this political. Trans people are just people that want to exist. That’s it.

Your sex are what your chromosomes are

So we need to genetically test all babies at birth?

Otherwise, I don’t know how we would figure out the sex of the ones with Swyer Syndrome- XY but with female genitalia.

And assigning their sex as male at birth doesn’t make much sense to me.

One thing that exacerbates the problem is the values for gender and sex are reused. ‘Male’ can mean ‘I identity as male gendered’ or ‘my chromosomes are XY’ (choose one or both). If sex were consistently represented with different values (maybe as chromosomes XX, XY, others?), that might provide some clarity in good faith discussions. Finally, I’m not in medicine so YMMV.

Update: One thing I wanted to add: I also recognize that many discussions are ‘not’ in good faith and an informed participant will deliberately conflate the meanings of gender’s and sex’s values. Unfortunately, no recommendation can help a person whose mind is closed.

Edit: Added “Update”. Adjusted original comment’s casing.

Your sex are what your chromosomes are… It should be standardized…

It’s worth noting that your sex is not “assigned” at birth, so much as “determined” from physical traits. They are not analyzing your DNA, they are making an educated guess. Usually they are correct, but there are exceptions. For something like 0.02%-0.05% of individuals (very roughly 1 in 3000) , the chromosomes are not obvious, or the doctor would be wrong upon determination.

But this is beside the point, because the intention of the law is not medical clarity:

“As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

In my opinion, people don’t actually want sex-separated bathrooms. They think they do, until they see somebody they would have assumed was a man walk into the women’s room. Gender is a far more sensible line to draw, and far less invasive on the part of the government. And frankly, your comfort level in a bathroom is way more about your assumed reality than a biological or any other reality. I bet if we could know everything there is to know about the people around us, all the time, we’d never leave the house.

As for sports, I think that’s much fuzzier topic (and it is certainly not apolitical).

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you’re making nothing but sense, but you’re getting a lot of hate for it. we should be able to talk about this stuff by now without having to combat an onslaught of angry commenters that didn’t read what you wrote.

It’s literally a carbon copy of reddit. the weird outrage just deflates all common sense.