WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump “is fine”
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

  • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
    105·
    2 months ago

    If the only way you can discuss an assassination is by advocating for additional violence and pushing lies, then I guess not?

    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
      31·
      2 months ago

      pushing lies

      How did you determine what was true in this situation and what was false? I am curious about your methodology.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
        34·
        2 months ago

        True: confirmed information. False: unconfirmed information of a speculative nature. Do you see a specific issue you disagree with or are you just trying to argue?

        • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 months ago

          You are just moving the problem around via definitions not actually saying what method you used to know exactly what happened yesterday.

          All I asked is how you arrived at the truth. Did you see evidence that the general public didn’t? Because what I am seeing is you all are so absolutely certain you have literally compared it to Covid misinformation. Amazing, a 30 hour news event is so well understood you can compare our knowledge of it to the single most studied virus in human history months after a new variant had appeared.

          It is not unreasonable how you were able to obtain information the rest of us apparently do not have and how you were able to eliminate all other alternatives so quickly.

    • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
      75·
      2 months ago

      You are limiting discussion to centrist viewpoints, centrism caters towards permissive attitudes towards fascism. You know this.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
        92·
        2 months ago

        Not really what I said at all. “Hey guys, don’t make stuff up, please rely on credible sources, and don’t advocate for violence”.

        Or, in other words: follow the rules we’ve always had in place

        • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
          69·
          2 months ago

          Advocating for, or not advocating for, violence is a political stance. Many people defend Israel’s ongoing genocide and are not blocked from doing so. That doesn’t feel like the rules being consistently enforced. The people speculating on whether or not this is staged have access to the same information as everyone else, and in the spirit of true discourse, if it was seen to be false you could figure that out by discussion rather than censorship.

          • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            52·
            2 months ago

            If you have evidence that it was staged, feel free to share it. If you don’t, then we ask that you not speculate. It’s no different than any other claim for which we’d require a basic amount of credible substantiation.

              • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
                51·
                2 months ago

                If someone has made a claim that runs counter to commonly acknowledged information, please report it. If you need a few examples…

                You would need a source to say:

                • “the new COVID vaccine is dangerous because it has killed people”
                • “Donald Trump faked an attack on his life”
                • “this new medical treatment is extremely effective”

                You would NOT need a source to say:

                • “Donald Trump was subject of an assassination attempt” (commonly known and widely speculated to be an assassination attempt)
                • A personal preference like “Chocolate cake is the best kind of cake”
            • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
              16·
              2 months ago

              I don’t personally think it was staged, but be honest … it’s not like you delete every single comment that doesn’t have sources …

              • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                3·
                2 months ago

                We remove comments that make objectively false claims, especially when they involve life or death situations. Covid misinformation is a good example.

                • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  The virus was studied by multiple different healthcare agencies across multiple different continents.

                  This is not comparable to the performance yesterday.

                • whoreticulture@lemmy.world
                  22·
                  2 months ago

                  Speculating on an event that has already occured is not a “life or death situation” in the way spreading information that discourages the use of life-saving vaccines is.

                  • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                    31·
                    2 months ago

                    Given the state of American discourse right now, I’m going to hard disagree with you there.

                • p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  2 months ago

                  Here’s your source.

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583

                  NEW YORK — The leader of a conservative think tank orchestrating plans for a massive overhaul of the federal government in the event of a Republican presidential win said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

                  It’s INSANE to me that you’d suggest we do nothing or even promote political violence over this.

                  • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldMEnglish
                    2·
                    2 months ago

                    The Lemmy.World content policy prohibits advocacy of violence. We are enforcing the rules of Lemmy, not our own personal preferences. If you prefer an instance without such limitations, you are free to engage with another instance.

                  • girlfreddy@lemmy.ca
                    21·
                    2 months ago

                    Yet you seem to think acting like a petulant child is appropriate. Some of us have had our hands slapped because we crossed a line. But you can still act like an adult when it happens.

                    If you don’t like the rules, fine. Then go elsewhere.