• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    You could have a personal garden, but to have a farm you’d have to obtain a lot of land. Then you’d have to make the land productive with either large and resource hungry machinery i.e. capital or you’d have to obtain and exploit the labor of farm workers to work by hand.

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      What if i agree with some of my friends that we will join our yards to make one big field and work it together? We could also ask others for help and pay them for their work, the amount of money we both agree with.

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          but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.

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            Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.

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            Personal property is for personal use. That’s it.

            Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.

            Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.

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              what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?

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                Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.

                Everything must go, use it lose it.

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                  What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine

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                    So what are all those people without kids doing?

                    Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.

                    Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.

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                A person who could actually assemble a farm through small land acquisitions through the power of friendship probably deserves it tbh

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                    You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.

                    That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.

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                The democratically elected central committee, or some other process whereby everyone decides together what our fair share is.

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                  And who will make sure they don’t abuse their power? Its basic human nature to be greedy. Who chooses the government? People voting?

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                    Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.

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        What if i agree with some of my friends

        Remove “some” and redefine “friends” to mean “anyone, anywhere, at anytime, and for any reason”, and you’re golden.