• mestari@lemmy.world
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        It’s fun to say this, but at least BM is really able to do their main job and preserve the artifacts.

        There’s dozens of cases where the original sites have been looted or destroyed by the origin country’s own leaders.

        Storing the artifacts outside of the influence of an area’s internal issues is actually really wise. The BM’s real wrongdoing is not paying anything for the artifacts they’ve took. I argue they’ve done enough good to offset that a little. They’re bad but not the worst.

      • Mrkawfee@feddit.uk
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        British Museum gets a lot of hate but there are plenty of museums that’s have walked off with others countries treasure. The Pergamon museum in Berlin took literal chunks of ancient cities

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          Germany is returning stolen artifacts, and even getting criticism for it when it backfires like it happened with the Benin Bronzes (which the Nigerian government gave to the former royal family and are not available to the general public in any country now).

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            But the Benin Bronzes were stolen from the royal palace. They weren’t available for the general public before they were stolen. It’s up to the royal family if they should be put up for display since it is their property.

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              Royalty is an illegitimate concept. Any property they have is an act of theft as well.

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          How about we make them all give it back or make reforms to show them in host countries while the origin country retains ancestral ownership? Kinda like loaning art out.

          • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml
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            Does that extend to all the artifacts they purchased? If I buy a painting from an artist, and years later their grandchild demands it back saying it’s a family heirloom, am I under any obligation to return it?

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          True. I’d never be one to argue that BM should get less hate, but I’d also never be one to argue that you shouldn’t ALSO hate on others for doing the same thing…

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        British museum is truly terrible, but tbh the only reason people know about it and know to tag on it is because they try to reckon with their existence. Just over the channel in France is Musée du Quai Branly, which was originally going to be called “museum of the primitive arts”, that first of all costs money (BM is free) but also does a terrible job of explaining what the items are and who stole them from whom. BM tries to contextualiza what they stole and when and from whom, Quai Branly is a straight up colonial museum (there are other worse museums in Europe)

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      Imagine all these country’s have trash that is worthless.

      Some British guy comes along and says I “hey see that over there can I buy it?” “What that trash?” “Yes” “Sure thing dipshit”

      Then instead of being destroyed like everything else it gains value and then they want it back.

      Yea sure I also want my dads apple shares he sold in 1985 because I didn’t realise they would be valuable in the future when he sold them.

      Most of the stuff was bought.

      But even the conquest shit. People have been conquesting each other for ever. Suddenly you want to take stuff back of one country that just happened to be good at it in the days when everyone agreed that was how the world worked.

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          The British bought it. It’s ours. That’s how ownership works.

          It’s not up to the British to parent the world. They made their choice.

          It wouldn’t exist in the present if the British hadn’t bought it and looked after it.