Run, you fucking piece of shit. Go go go gogogogogogog!
My niece told her grandmother about her fear of getting murdered at school. Feel that fear, asshole.
Run, you fucking piece of shit. Go go go gogogogogogog!
My niece told her grandmother about her fear of getting murdered at school. Feel that fear, asshole.
It was a while back, so i can’t remember the caveats (if any). It may have been for that year or something. A quick dig looks like it holds up though.
This media investigation, aided by Texas State University shows the stats.
It also briefly touches on the trauma when an actual good person kills someone.
He is actively forcing himself to not see the shooter as a person and it’s clear the image of the person he killed twitching on the ground will haunt him forever.
The pro-gun crowd didn’t save that man, they sold him and everybody else in that church out. They armed the mass shooter then used Wilson as propaganda, claiming his trauma is actually the gold standard for dealing with gun violence and that teachers and targeted minorities should be enthusiastically following suit.
I’m sure the fact that it would preserve or increase the profits of a lobby group that gives $16 million a year to Republicans is purely coincidence.
After all, if an industry was causing massive social harm, they’d immediately cease operation for the public good, not suppress research and statistics about how many people they’d killled while astroturfing and hiring politicians as shills.
And this begs the question. . .what percentage of people actually carry a gun? If it’s less than 20% then that means gun owners were more effective at stopping it (well, it would actually be more complicated, but I’m just trying to demonstrate my point).
Not only is it more complicated, it doesn’t even matter.
Around 80% of mass shooters bought the guns legally. Of the 20% remaining, the majority are teenagers who used their parent’s legally owned firearm.
Criminals in America have better access to firearms than they do in anywhere else in the world, with many of the guns in South America being originally purchased from a store in the United States.
This has resulted in a homicide rate that is far higher than it should be. Sort this list by homicide rate and take note of just how far before and after “United States” you have to scroll before finding a country you would consider “wealthy and stable”.
As compensation for that, we’re told things like “the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. But the “good guys” have been given all the guns they want and they stop exactly fuck all. It’s not even close to the number of shootings they enable.
So who gives a fuck how “effective” they are on paper? In the real world, police and unarmed civilians stop more mass shooters and it doesn’t require arming the mass shooters in the first place.
If it doesn’t matter, why did you bring it up?
Because you posted apologism using exactly that phrasing. You’ve also misinterpreted “You shouldn’t give a fuck” as meaning “I don’t give a fuck”.
So, wait. . .it’s my fault you made a BS claim you can’t back up, despite the fact that you made the comment before I ever even posted in the thread? And I was posting “apologism” despite explicitly saying I want it to be true. Wow, I’m quite amazing! lol
At no point did you use the phrase “you shouldn’t give a fuck.” Another amazing thing by me misinterpreting something you didn’t even say. Man, I’m even outdoing myself today.
You mean the one I immediately backed up, that you could have fact checked yourself in seconds? Because “citizens with guns have stopped fewer mass shootings than unarmed civilians” is objectively true.
So? It’s the internet. People lie about who they are and what they think all the time, especially among the far-right. I’m not obligated to politely believe you.
And to put it bluntly, I don’t.
Your “do you have the stats” sounded like sealioning and when I gave you the benefit of the doubt and answered, your entire comment focused on trying to claw back a win for gun owners.
Now suddenly it’s a “BS fact”, despite still being objectively true. Are you sure you haven’t let your true feelings get involved?
I also didn’t use the phrase “I don’t give a fuck”, but that didn’t stop you.
And to which I immediately pointed out why it doesn’t actually support your claim that they had a “lower success rate” but only that it happened more often one way. It’s like arguing that the crime rate is higher in some place because there is 5x the amount of crime there, but ignoring the fact that the population is 20x as great.
I explained why I was doing it: confirmation bias is a hell of a drug. If be cognizant of my own biases is suspicious to you, that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
This is the ultimate problem here. I’m trying to get to the truth, you’re trying to be right. So the fact that I’m not just blinding agreeing with you, and pointing out the faults in your argument. . .well, that must mean I’m arguing the other side. You’re thinking is too black and white, which is probably why simply pointing out the fault in your position has sent you into a partisan fit.
Stop me from what? I never said “I don’t give a fuck” or even that “you don’t give a fuck.” I asked, after you questioned why anyone would give a fuck about the claim you made, why you brought it up in the first place. You’ve been sent into such a tizzy by someone simply trying to help you refine your argument, instead of just blindly saying “you’re right,” that you can’t even follow the posts from one to the next.
You’d be far better served to stop trying to be right, and start trying to figure out what’s right.
Sounds like you’re going to have to prove that for each of these shootings, it wasn’t the case that every single person there had a gun on them, otherwise it would be completely unfair on unarmed civilians.
At the very best, you’ve immediately latched on to semantics to twist “which groups more often stop a mass shooter” into “is someone more likely to stop a mass shooting if they have a gun”.
Thanks for clarifying that you absolutely did misinterpret exactly the part you were insisting you didn’t misinterpret. I was asking who gives a fuck about which group “more effective”.