• anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 months ago

    Pfft fuck that. A) Pizza is a traditional new world food, I can tell because of the tomatoes and 2) I will put pineapple and pancetta on a foccasia with some stanky romano while teabagging Michelangelo’s David before I let Italians tells me about Pizza

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        9 months ago

        Tomatoes were in Europe way before any “Italies” were ever invented though

        When tomatoes came over all they had were the Pope, Spanish (Aragonese)/French vassals and a memory of the Roman Empire

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          The recorded history of tomatoes in Italy dates back to at least 31 October 1548, when the house steward of Cosimo de’ Medici, the grand duke of Tuscany, wrote to the Medici private secretary informing him that the basket of tomatoes sent from the grand duke’s Florentine estate at Torre del Gallo “had arrived safely”.[16] Tomatoes were grown mainly as ornamentals early on after their arrival in Italy. For example, the Florentine aristocrat Giovanvettorio Soderini wrote how they “were to be sought only for their beauty”, and were grown only in gardens or flower beds. The tomato’s ability to mutate and create new and different varieties helped contribute to its success and spread throughout Italy. However, in areas where the climate supported growing tomatoes, their habit of growing to the ground suggested low status. They were not adopted as a staple of the peasant population because they were not as filling as other fruits already available. Additionally, both toxic and inedible varieties discouraged many people from attempting to consume or prepare any other varieties.[17] In certain areas of Italy, such as Florence, the fruit was used solely as a tabletop decoration, until it was incorporated into the local cuisine in the late 17th or early 18th century.[18] The earliest discovered cookbook with tomato recipes was published in Naples in 1692, though the author had apparently obtained these recipes from Spanish sources.[10]: 17