Mississippi has long had high childhood immunization rates, but a federal judge has ordered the state to allow parents to opt out on religious grounds.
For more than 40 years, Mississippi had one of the strictest school vaccination requirements in the nation, and its high childhood immunization rates have been a source of pride. But in July, the state began excusing children from vaccination if their parents cited religious objections, after a federal judge sided with a “medical freedom” group.
Today, 2,100 Mississippi schoolchildren are officially exempt from vaccination on religious grounds. Five hundred more are exempt because their health precludes vaccination. Dr. Daniel P. Edney, the state health officer, warns that if the total number of exemptions climbs above 3,000, Mississippi will once again face the risk of deadly diseases that are now just a memory.
“For the last 40 years, our main goal has been to protect those children at highest risk of measles, mumps, rubella, polio,” Dr. Edney said in an interview, “and that’s those children that have chronic illnesses that make them more vulnerable.” He called the ruling “a very bitter pill for me to swallow.”
Mississippi is not an isolated case. Buoyed by their success at overturning coronavirus mandates, medical and religious freedom groups are taking aim at a new target: childhood school vaccine mandates, long considered the foundation of the nation’s defense against infectious disease.
Ah yes, that most cherished of freedoms, the freedom to let children die of easily preventable diseases
Up until now we’ve mostly seen diseases like measles and chicken pox but I’m expecting polio to show up soon … then the shit will hit the fan.
sigh
Whooping cough is back. Yay.
It’s a shame it’s the children of the ones who fuck around who get to find out
Even more of a shame that other people’s children are collateral damage
I guess every thread has to be about Palestine?
Other people’s children, as in those that want to be vaxed but can’t.
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Who said anything about palestine? I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Yeah.
My grandma was a nurse in the polio ward back in the day, and I had a friend (many many moons ago) who’d had polio.
‘Murica!
‘Medical Freedom’ Activists
Plague rats. They’re plague rats.
A rat king is quite analogous to the GOP
Parents with autoimmune children will teach their children to take more precautions in life but with a stronger sense of love. Republican Parents will kill their children and their bloodline.
If Republicans are so hellbent on Killing Children let’s at least look at the bright side and note it’ll only last a generation or two.
Bullshit, and this is the same fucked up defeatist logic people used to avoid a covid vaccine mandate.
Anti-vaxxers are not just hurting themselves, and they are not hurting themselves more than the rest of us, and they are not hurting themselves anywhere close to fast enough to kill themselves off. If you were right, this wouldn’t be a problem at all. Anti-vaxxers don’t die at a high enough rate to counter the spread of their stupidity. Covid, Pertussis, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, these diseases kill the sick, the elderly, the young, and the immunocompromised. The people who suffer most are the ones who would get vaccines if they could. It’s dangerous to act like they are hurting themselves.
This should be the top comment
I was on one of the vaccine trials. Had a cab driver on the way back from one of my checkups go on a COVID rant. It was awkward after I told him why I was there. Lmao. I’d do it again, felt great being protected asap, plus money.
God, I miss the 70s when everyone got their shots at school and anyone who ran out of line was called a pussy and was dragged back to get their shots so they didn’t kill grandparents and babies.
When did we become so weak and scared? These idiots are gonna be the ones that bring back polio and measles.
When someone says “I’m not against all vaccines, just the ones for COVID”, he is usually lying. In time this “skepticism” will slide into being against even the common vaccines and it can be seen now. My favorite blog Respectful Insolence had a good post about the so-called “medical freedom”:
"Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have become a rallying cry for libertarians, far right wingers, and even outright fascists. Indeed, the Republican Party has become a bastion of antivaccine and anti-public health hostility, a process that actually predates the pandemic by at least several years. “Health freedom” and “medical freedom” have always been code words for dismantling public health infrastructure, anything resembling a vaccine mandate (even in schools), and dismantling the FDA.
Same strategy as “School Choice” or “Parent’s Rights”, the first was created to suck money out of the public school infrastructure and put an end to quality free public schooling, the second to basically make children property again.
Yeah, many are against only COVID because it’s gotten all the attention. But whatever leaps in logic, conspiracy theories, and blog-eurekas have them being against the COVID vaccine will apply to all the others as well. There are people in my family who don’t get their flu shot for the same reasons as the COVID one.
We may not see many repercussions from this now, but when the unvaccinated grow up and the viruses have had a generation’s worth of time to spread - just wait till a pregnant woman gets mumps and has a profoundly deaf baby. Or their toddler gets polio and ends up spending potentially years in a hospital, only to be released with lifetime disabilities. I know 2 people with polio, and one who is deaf due their mother having mumps (pre-vaccine days). Their lives, and the lives of their families, was/is hard. I wonder what grandma and grampa, safely vaccinated, will say when their grandkids start falling ill.
The people of “the party of pro-life”, trying to spread plague.
You can’t make this shit up.
What religions are against vaccines??
Republicanism
I don’t recall any of the major accepted religions saying that anything like a vaccine is bad. But these are the types of people who will probably use religion as a way to get out of anything they don’t like or they think it challenges “God’s plan”, even if it lets them live longer.
Yeah but this is exactly the kind of thing that should be rejected as it is not “a sincerely held religious belief”. You can’t claim it’s a religious belief when your religion does not hold that belief, only you do.
The US has religious freedom in the extreme. Anything you make up to worship religiously is considered a religion by default. It takes very strong evidence to prove otherwise.
There are pros and cons to that, this is one of the cons.
What are the pros?
You are not forced to worship and otherwise support some ‘god’ that you don’t believe in.
There are plenty of countries that don’t force worship etc without any sort of over the top “religious freedom”.
None.
Its cherry picking what suits their argument in the moment.
Same reason they’d get offended and file criminal complaints if you throw stones at them for wearing mixed fiber clothing.
We were real close to eradicating the measles virus worldwide. Then this stuff happened.
We almost got polio now, though, so some progress:
I luckily (for many reasons) don’t live in MS, but what if I don’t want to subject my kid to a miasma of germs from these plague rats? Where’s my freedom?
There should be a mandatory vaccination against stupidity.
Parahprasing greatly here, but in her recent book, Naomi Klein pointed out that most Americans are pilled as fuck on neoliberalism, and because the pandemic is a naturally occurring and obvious contradiction to its fundamental tenets (individualism, meritocracy, competiton, etc.), the only way to square that circle was to go insane.
I find that framework very useful. These so called activists are pilled as hell on this fundamentally individualist concept of freedom that inundates us Americans from birth. It’s an almost entirely empty conception of freedom. Basically, we can say whatever we want while owning guns and generally being selfish. No one is entitled to be free of childhood disease though. That’s not freedom because it encroaches on others being selfish. If you genuinely believe in individual liberty above all, as Americans are taught from birth, then childhood vaccinations are wrong.
Unfortunately it’s a really fucking stupid way to run a society.
I think it’s much more than that.
For example people also pretend the mode of transportation requiring licensing, regular checkups, a rigorous following of additional rules and the requirement to constantly display your identification is somehow the epitome of personal freedom.
So I’m pretty sure it’s not just “going insane” as the reality contradicts their believe. There is also a fuck-ton of
brain-washinglobbying/advertising involved to influence people to move into certain directions. The move to resist vaccination simply isn’t natural in the US (it certainly wasn’t in the past), unless for a very small group of people. Then is was coopted and inflated as just another front of a cultural war to divide and polarize people.That’s a sobering thought regarding the strict regulation of private transportation, and how much more access and discriminatory power it gives the police.
I generally agree with you except I’m on the other side. I would usually pick the freedom side of a freedom/safety trade-off, with “freedom” defined as freedom from having anyone else tell me what to do, not freedom from disease. I support the general principle that a person should not be compelled to undergo a medical procedure for the benefit of others.
With that said, mandatory vaccinations really are pushing the boundaries of my libertarianism. They’re good for the individual rather than a sacrifice simply for the sake of others, and having the large majority of people vaccinated has major advantages for everyone. I’d put them in the same category as fire departments (and I’m vaccinated myself) but because I get where the vaccine opponents are coming from, I agree with letting them opt out if they go through all the paperwork. That has most of the benefits of universally mandatory vaccination but without having to force anyone who really, really doesn’t want to for whatever reason.
(I suppose there’s a libertarian argument to be made in favor of personal liability for spreading disease. If you infect me with covid, I should be able to sue you for damages just as if you negligently caused me bodily harm via other means. Of course that’s entirely impractical.)
I support the general principle that a person should not be compelled to undergo a medical procedure for the benefit of others.
If vaccinations only protected the person being vaccinated and didn’t protect anyone else, I’d say “let people decide whether or not to be vaccinated.”! It would still be the better idea to vaccinate, but I’d be fine (in that theoretical world) with them choosing not to vaccinate.
However, I also believe that your right to swing your fist ends at my face. People don’t have the right to do things that actively hurt others. Not getting vaccinated means that you can transmit highly infectious and deadly diseases. Deciding not to vaccinate could mean that a person is deciding that other people will die.
Apart from valid medical reasons (e.g. autoimmune disorders or allergic reactions to vaccine components), people shouldn’t be able to opt out. In a society, we often curb the individual liberties to protect people. I’m not free to decide to drive drunk and it’s not because I could hurt myself by doing so. If I drove drunk, I could hurt other people and so it’s illegal.
Civil suits could be the answer, except it’s nearly impossible to prove that Timmy got measles when he passed by Jane in aisle B31 of Target. The level of contact tracing that would be required to absolutely prove this would be orders of magnitude more invasive than vaccines.
We shouldn’t allow “personal freedom” to skip vaccinations with the trade-off being other people’s lives.
We do let people make decisions that put others at risk, if that risk is small enough. You use drunk driving as an example of something which is illegal because it can hurt other people, but driving at all can hurt other people. Someone who drives a lot every day is more likely to accidentally harm another person than someone who doesn’t drive. Despite this, driving is legal and simply choosing to drive (as opposed to breaking traffic laws or driving recklessly) doesn’t make the driver liable if he hurts someone.
Is being unvaccinated more like drunk driving or like driving at all, in terms of the risk to others? I haven’t done the math but I expect that it’s more like driving at all, and IMO it would have to be a lot more dangerous than ordinary driving in order to justify the inherently onerous requirement of undergoing a mandatory medical procedure.
Driving does require licensing, though. You need to register with the state to say that you can drive. This license can be revoked if you don’t drive safely. If you drive without a valid license, you can get in a lot of legal hot water.
Vaccination might be compared to driving without a license. Let’s say you let one person drive without a license because they promised to drive safely. They might be fine and not cause any accidents. This is analogous to a small number of anti-vaxxers not getting sick/spreading illness because they are still covered by herd immunity.
However, as more people are allowed to drive without a license, more accidents would happen. This would be especially true if we allowed people exceptions to things like speed limits and driving on the sidewalk because their “sincerely held religious beliefs” state that they are allowed to do this. At that point, we’d have a lot of accidents and a lot of people being hurt.
There are a lot of regulations around driving (licensing, road rules, yearly car inspections) that are onerous in an effort to keep driving as safe as possible. Getting rid of those regulations “for personal freedom” would cause many, many deaths. Allowing people to just refuse vaccinations for any reason would also cause many, many deaths.
The impracticality of holding somebody liable for things they put into the air that hurt you also sounds a lot like our big polluting corporations.
It’s funny how many conservative opinions require a leap to “this problem doesn’t exist anyway.”
I support the general principle that a person should not be compelled to undergo a medical procedure for the benefit of others.
Get the fuck out of my society then
Your society?
Yes. Go start the retarded antivax society.
I don’t need to - someone else already did and called it the USA.
Hahaha, so you’re saying you live in a retarded antivax society?
I live in a society where antivax people have certain legal protections against medical compulsion regardless of whether you or I think that making use of those protections is “retarded”, so I suppose you could say that.
The first concept of vaccination was invented in 1796. It was an unknown idea before this. Which religion has an opinion on this and how exactly does that work when there was no concept of the thing in question when any of these religions were formed? It’s such utter bullshit on its face. There’s no grounds for this. It’s made up crap on top of made up crap, as a grounds to shirk a simple procedure that saves lives.
But, also, this headline is dumb. Religious medical freedom advocates have been about this for ages. The only thing new is they got one dumb judge to make a bad ruling.
The headline is agit-prop, letting an extremist group label themselves with some misleading name like “Medical Freedom” is as bad ad repeating the “Death Tax” or “School Freedom” talking points, which is how we lost the estate tax and quality free public schools.
Religion says not to alter or mutilate your body. That’s why very religious people might skip getting earrings or tattoos too.
Edit: A vaccine is, by definition, artificially altering your immune system response.
A vaccine isn’t going to alter your immune system response anymore than digging in the garden might. Honestly, digging in the garden or eating some fresh fruit/vegetables/cheese will probably expose you to more foreign genetic material, virii and microbes than a vaccine ever would, thereby altering your immune response to a much greater degree. It’s ignorant made up reasoning loosely based on ignorant made up useless meandering out dated philosophies.
The immune system is a learned response system. It’s trained by exposure. That’s the way it works. The specific way it is introduced to foreign material doesn’t matter, except that certain ways are more likely to allow an infection to take hold.
You know what can really alter and possibly mutilate a body? A serious infection.
Edit to add:
Going to the gym or just exercising alters the body by making it stronger, adding muscle, but have never heard a religious person say that is taboo because that would be ridiculous. Vaccines make your immune system stronger in much the same fashion, through use and training. There’s absolutely no good argument against them.
“Medical Freedom” activists won’t look so tough when you cough on their unvaccinated hellspawn and 5 days later they’re grieving their death.
“All part of God’s plan”
