Financial risk too great for dev working "in my spare time to help others."
  • Uglyhead@lemmy.worldEnglish
    194·
    10 months ago

    Just start charging exorbitant amounts of money for every API call; problem solved! —Spez

    (Also: Fuck Spez)

    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zipEnglish
      13·
      10 months ago

      Sadly it would end the same like with reddit or netflix: The loss due to the amount of pissed-off and leaving customers is obviously way less than the gain due to the ignorant or root-problem-agnostics. Makes me a sad panda…

  • jman6495@lemmy.mlEnglish
    126·
    10 months ago

    This will be over soon. When the EU’s Data Act comes into force, car manufacturers will be obliged to allow access to vehicle data.

    • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.worldEnglish
      66·
      10 months ago

      Also isn’t it Mazda’s fault for creating an API that anyone can access and get information from? Someone in Mazda IT is probably frantically looking for the email chain where he was told to “just make it public” so our outside analysts can use it.

    • atrielienz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      And then they’ll get sued, when that leads to cars getting hacked. I don’t know if that’s gonna work out in the long run. Car companies are likely to band together to prevent this or make lawful exceptions for themselves in the space.

  • rebelsimile@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    861·
    10 months ago

    I didn’t really get it until I read the article (shut up 😃), but it seems pretty clear that Mazda’s primary concern here appears to be access to this API through Home Assistant cutting off future (maybe current) owners’ requirement to subscribe to their app for features.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      251·
      10 months ago

      It seems to be working exactly as intended. It protects the OP of the rich while not giving a shit about the poor.

    • ZiemekZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      Intellectual “property” shouldn’t exist. The property system was designed to solve the scarcity of physical goods. Information doesn’t have this problem since it can be replicated forever as long as you have a medium to copy it to. That’s why you can’t own information. Once created, it lives its own life, whenever you like it or not.

  • bad_alloc@feddit.deEnglish
    55·
    10 months ago

    I don’t get it. People are working for free to add a feature to your product which might move more people to buy said product. Make users who use external features acknowledge some waiver that your company is not responsible for damage. If it turns out to be really good, you can fork it, hire the original inventor and turn it into a paid product. Isn’t that a risk-free win? Am I missing something?

    • ItsMeSpez@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      10 months ago

      Most likely they do not appreciate people adding features to their products for free because these are features that could be sold on future models. This is why right to repair is so important.

      • Dem Bosain@midwest.socialEnglish
        111·
        10 months ago

        Or, it’s something they want you to subscribe to. I bought a Subaru, and only later found out the only way to use remote-start was by subscribing to roadside assistance and using an app on my phone.

        On the bright side, I can start my car from anywhere in the world…

    • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.mlEnglish
      15·
      10 months ago

      They probably want you to pay a subscription for extra features and homeboy went and made it free for life.

  • elscallr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    411·
    10 months ago

    Well then, anyone have this code archived? Time to make sure it makes it to torrent networks. The only way we render the DMCA irrelevant is to make it useless.

    Make sure to keep the checksums in place.

    • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      Without a somewhat centralized codebase, development will be an absolute nightmare. Old versions floating about with bugs or so old there has been breaking changes in the API, and did you make your additions to the latest version…no wait, 4 people made different additions around the same time, but each released their own versions, and they were not based on the same version either. With no single place to report and collect fixes and development it’ll be a fragmented pile of crap real fast.

  • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    10 months ago

    What a fucking joke. Let me tell you, these car OEMs are fucking SHIT at API development in general. Shit, it’s a fuckin miracle when they actually have APIs. A major OEM (won’t mention as it’s work related for me) just recently published their APIs and MY GOD are they fucking trash, inconsistent, and throw 5xx for fucking any reason (this is absolutely NOT a small or new OEM by any fucking means… Luxury brand)

    This is simply a shit company trying to punish people because of their own incompetencies when it comes to API design and management. Oh and just anti-consumer in general, just like how they attack right-to-repair at every fuckin turn possible.

    FUCK capitalism, it’s fucking broken; instead of ensuring that competition drives innovation we instead get… LESS control LESS features for MORE across the board (subscriptions, anyone?). Anyone talking about the free market’s inherent innovation is a FUCKING GODDAMN MORON

    • lightnegative@lemmy.worldEnglish
      36·
      10 months ago

      Well, without the free market innovation, I guess you’d just be complaining about the quality of your horse and cart on the way to church instead

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
    32·
    10 months ago

    Should be legally protected and these companies should receive heavy fines for false DMCA claims

    • woodenskewer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      10 months ago

      Call me crazy but you think there’d be some kind of reviewing body that reads dmca claims heard by both parties prior to entering a court room rather than people with money fucking the average person.

    • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      22·
      10 months ago

      It won’t go obsolete per se. It will just have lots of security vulnerabilities after they stop patching the 10,000,000+ lines of code used in all the microcontrollers and microprocessor.

  • bitwolf@lemmy.oneEnglish
    29·
    10 months ago

    So … is there a copy of the repo left that we can replicate endlessly?

      • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        Well I’m already living across the street from a subway station and don’t even want to own a car. This was more based on principle than anything.

  • notannpc@lemmy.worldEnglish
    259·
    10 months ago

    I already thought Mazda sucked and made shit products, so it’s nice that they confirmed it’s not just their products that are mediocre at best, it’s their whole business.

    Edit: Turns out my long standing perception of Mazda is woefully incorrect. I could have sworn they had a string of bad reliability issues in the early 2000’s and 2010’s but it turns out that’s just plain wrong. Couldn’t tell you what I was thinking of. Leaving the OG comment to laugh at my mistake.

    They can still eat a bag of dicks though for this DMCA abuse though.

    • 5BC2E7@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      10 months ago

      Can you elaborate? All the people I know had good experiences with mazda

      • BearOfaTime@lemm.eeEnglish
        132·
        10 months ago

        Yea, not sure what hes comparing Mazdas to.

        As someone who’s turned wrenches since the late 70’s, Mazda is in my top 3 for reliability: Honda, Toyota, Mazda, in that order.

        Every other brand you get to fix the same thing more than once, have weird failures, mixture of Metric and ACU bolts (looking at you American Manufacturers), over-designed systems making trouble-shooting and repair more difficult and costly (like VW tying the door lock ECU to the air conditioning), crappy electrics (Chrysler/Dodge wins on this one, they’re almost as bad as as 70’s British car with Lucas electrics), weird and problematic mixtures of vendor sources (again, Chrysler, since the days they bought AMC they’ve continued to have hodge-podge vehicles, like the Chryslers with Mercedes diesel engines, but modified so they don’t always use the exact same parts), etc, etc.

        I could go on for days listing each manufacturer’s pain points.

        Far less so with the 3 Japanese listed. For the most part, their vehicles are all their own (some exceptions with Mazda when they were owned by Ford, and Toyota had some GM ties over the years), and even those cars are more Japanese design/engineering/manufacturing than Big 3.

      • notannpc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        10 months ago

        Tried to search up what I could have sworn was bad quality control problems. Turns out I don’t know what the hell I was thinking.

        • 5BC2E7@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          10 months ago

          I appreciate your response. With the amount of negativity, doomers and tankies in the fediverse i have started to get suspicious about people.

    • kool_newt@lemm.eeEnglish
      151·
      10 months ago

      My cx-50 is awesome, I got it because my old Mazda3 was awesome and super reliable. (as far as cars go, which are all dirty death machines)

    • Frostbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      I have a Mazda6 estate 2.2 diesel and pretty happy with it. Compared to other cars in the same class it’s no worse regarding reliability as far as I could research