• finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    11 days ago

    Yeah no shit, AI doesn’t think. Context doesn’t exist for it. It doesn’t even understand the meanings of individual words at all, none of them.

    Each word or phrase is a numerical token in an order that approximates sample data. Everything is a statistic to AI, it does nothing but sort meaningless interchangeable tokens.

    People cannot “converse” with AI and should immediately stop trying.

    • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      25·
      11 days ago

      We don’t think either. We’re just a chemical soup that tricked ourselves to believe we think.

        • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          11·
          10 days ago

          The current AI chats are emergent properties. The very fact that I looks like it’s talking with us despite being just probabilistic models of a neural network is an emergent effect. The neural network is just a bunch of numbers.

        • remon@ani.socialEnglish
          01·
          10 days ago

          There are emergent properties all the way down to the quantum level, being “organic” has nothing to do with it.

          • polydactyl@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            10 days ago

            You’re correct, but that wasn’t the conversation. I didn’t say only organic, and I said machines and algorithms don’t. You chimed in just to get that “I’m right” high, and you are the problem with internet interactions.

            • remon@ani.socialEnglish
              11·
              10 days ago

              There is really no fundamental difference between an organsim or a sufficently complicated machine and there is no reason why the later shouldn’t have the possibilty of emergent properties.

              and you are the problem with internet interactions.

              Defensive much? Looks you’re the one with the problem.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        11 days ago

        A pie is more than three alphanumerical characters to you. You can eat pie, things like nutrition, digestion, taste, smell, imagery all come to mind for you.

        When you hear a prompt and formulate a sentence about pie you don’t compile a list of all words and generate possible outcomes ranked by statistical approximation to other similar responses.

  • glimse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    11 days ago

    Holy shit guys, does DDG want me to kill myself??

    What a waste of bandwidth this article is

  • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
    5·
    11 days ago

    What pushing?

    The LLM answered the exact query the researcher asked for.

    That is like ordering knives and getting knives delivered. Sure you can use them to slit your wrists, but that isn’t the sellers prerogative

    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
      2·
      11 days ago

      There’s people trying to push AI counselors, which if AI Councilors can’t spot obvious signs of suicidal ideation they ain’t doing a good job of filling that job

  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pubEnglish
    5·
    10 days ago

    fall to my death in absolute mania, screaming and squirming as the concrete gets closer

    pull a trigger

    As someone who is also planning for ‘retirement’ in a few decades, guns always seemed to be the better plan.

    • daizelkrns@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      10 days ago

      Yeah, it probably would be pills of some kind to me. Honestly the only thing stopping me is that I somehow fuck it up and end up trapped in my own body.

      Would be happily retired otherwise

      • InputZero@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        10 days ago

        Resume by Dorothy Parker.

        Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren’t lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live.

        There are not many ways to kill one’s self that don’t usually end up a botched suicide attempt. Pills are a painful and horrible way to go.

      • Shelbyeileen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        10 days ago

        I’m a postmortem scientist and one of the scariest things I learned in college, was that only 85% of gun suicide attempts were successful. The other 15% survive and nearly all have brain damage. I only know of 2 painless ways to commit suicide, that don’t destroy the body’s appearance, so they can still have funeral visitation.

          • Shelbyeileen@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            The deceased person’s body will turn splotchey and cherry red. A lot of people go via nitrous or carbon monoxide. The blood vessels don’t like it.

    • console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      10 days ago

      Dunno, the idea of 5 seconds time for whatever there is to reach you through the demons whispering in your ear contemplating when to pull the trigger to the 12gauge aimed at your face seems the most logical bad decision

  • OldChicoAle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    10 days ago

    Do we honestly think OpenAI or tech bros care? They just want money. Whatever works. They’re evil like every other industry

  • Wren@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    11 days ago

    When you go to machines for advice, it’s safe to assume they are going to give it exactly the way they have been programmed to.

    If you go to machine for life decisions, it’s safe to assume you are not smart enough to know better, and- by merit of this example, probably should not be allowed to use them.

  • sad_detective_man@leminal.spaceEnglish
    3·
    11 days ago

    imma be real with you, I don’t want my ability to use the internet to search for stuff examined every time I have a mental health episode. like fuck ai and all, but maybe focus on the social isolation factors and not the fact that it gave search results when he asked for them

    • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      0·
      10 days ago

      The whole idea of funeral companies is astonishing to me as a non-American. Lmao do whatever with my body i’m not gonna pay for that before i’m dead

      • Sergio@slrpnk.netEnglish
        2·
        10 days ago

        The idea is that you figure all that stuff out for yourself beforehand, so your grieving family doesn’t have to make a lot of quick decisions.

          • Sergio@slrpnk.netEnglish
            1·
            9 days ago

            I personally agree. But if I pay for the cheapest option ahead of time, it hits different than a loved one deciding on the cheapest option for me, especially if they are grieving and a salesperson is offering them a range of options. Also, some people just want a big funeral for their own emotional reasons I dunno.

  • BB84@mander.xyzEnglish
    2·
    11 days ago

    It is giving you exactly what you ask for.

    To people complaining about this: I hope you will be happy in the future where all LLMs have mandatory censors ensuring compliance with the morality codes specified by your favorite tech oligarch.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
      2·
      10 days ago

      There are various other reports of CGPT pushing susceptible people into psychosis where they think they’re god, etc.

      It’s correct, just different articles

      • TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        ohhhh are you saying the img is multiple separate articles from separate publications that have been collaged together? that makes a lot more sense. i thought it was saying the bridge thing was symptomatic of psychosis.

        yeahh people in psychosis are probably getting reinforced from LLMs yeah but tbqh that seems like one of the least harmful uses of LLMs! (except not rly, see below)

        first off they are going to be in psychosis regardless of what AI tells them, and they are going to find evidence to support their delusions no matter where they look, as thats literally part of the definition. so it seems here the best outcome is having a space where they can talk to someone without being doubted. for someone in psychosis, often the biggest distressing thing is that suddenly you are being lied to by literally everyone you meet, since no one will admit the thing you know is true is actually true, why are they denying it what kind of cover up is this?! it can be really healing for someone in psychosis to be believed

        unfortunately it’s also definitely dangerous for LLMs to do this since you cant just reinforce the delusions, you gotta steer towards something safe without being invalidating. i hope insurance companies figure out that LLMs are currently incapable of doing this and thus must not be allowed to practice billable therapy for anyone capable of entering psychosis (aka anyone) until they resolve that issue

  • kibiz0r@midwest.socialEnglish
    1·
    11 days ago

    Pretty callous and myopic responses here.

    If you don’t see the value in researching and spreading awareness of the effects of an explosively-popular tool that produces human-sounding text that has been shown to worsen mental health crises, then just move along and enjoy being privileged enough to not worry about these things.

    • WolfLink@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      0·
      11 days ago

      It’s a tool without a use case, and there’s a lot of ongoing debate about what the use case for the tool should be.

      It’s completely valid to want the tool to just be a tool and “nothing more”.