• BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.worldOP
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      It’s really really progressive church who are not like those shitty conservative churches. I don’t think anything of those churches either.

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        For me it’s not about the shittiness of the Church. If you are from a progressing and welcoming church then that’s great and you’re probably giving some people a community who might not have had one otherwise.

        I get more caught up in the fact that an adult would actually believe this crap. Even young kids know magic isn’t real but actual adult humans believe in it with all their hearts.

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        Participating in any Christianity props up and validates the bad ones.

        That said, if you really are the “good ones” then I wish you luck in fixing the rest of Jesus’ stray flock. And I hope you personally get the chance to fix some of them.

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          You don’t “fix” other people. You fix yourself. That’s all you have any control over.

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            You don’t control other people, but you constantly influence them.

            Isn’t the whole point of a pastor to encourage other people to be their best selves? Isn’t that fixing them?

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          This right here. There are no good participants in religion. Everyone participating, no matter their intent or actions, is s part of the problem. Because they enable the bad behavior by supporting the underlying common beliefs and adding some degree of legitimacy to this.

          It’s the same problem with ACAB

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          Probably they’re more like Quakers, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, or United Methodists. You know, the denominations with openly gay clergy who see their role as advancing the cause of social justice and helping the poor and disenfranchised in their communities.

          Giving people shit for a label is bigoted as fuck. Also, thanks for making a dad joke thread about your unresolved religious trauma.

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            I’m not religious these days, but I’m really glad the church I raised in was a UCC church. My first experience with blatant church bigotry was when I went to a Baptist church service with a friend when I was around 10. Pastor used 3 slurs within 10 minutes, even as a 10 year old I was wondering what the fuck happened to love thy neighbor.

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            United Methodist is a tricky example to use. I know because I was one of their clergy at one point.

            Officially they still ban gay clergy, even after the recent schism where the most-bigoted group left and formed the “Global Methodist Church.”

            American United Methodists (especially the clergy) tend to be fairly progressive, but the African and Asian branches of the church are massive and extremely conservative. They’ve managed to keep the church from being able to change its official stance on homosexuality, which is that it’s “incompatible with Christian teaching.”

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              You’re holding this person responsible for an evil because they share a demographic with the perpetrators, even though they have nothing to do with it? Yeah that sounds like bigotry to me.

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                “Share a demographic”? This isn’t race or sex or something. This is a club they choose to join every single day. It’s an ideology, not their skin color.

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                  Correct me if I’m misapplying your logic then, but it sounds like this means…

                  • It’s okay to hold Muslims responsible for Al Qaeda because they can just choose not to follow Islam.
                  • It’s okay to think of all Romani as criminals because they can just choose to leave their culture.
                  • It’s okay to be misandristic because they can just choose to transition.
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            United Methodists are no longer cool. They voted against gay marriage. And yes, to be fair, a good number of local congregations were pissed

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              That seems to be more of a kick-the-can vote to allow the more conservative churches time to leave.

              More than 6,000 United Methodist congregations — a fifth of the U.S. total — have now received permission to leave the denomination amid a schism over theology and the role of LGBTQ people in the nation’s second-largest Protestant denomination

              With these departures, progressives are expected to propose changing church law at the next General Conference in 2024 to allow for same-sex marriage and the ordination of LGBTQ people.

              https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2023-07-06/one-in-five-united-methodist-congregations-in-the-us-have-left-the-denomination-over-lgbtq-conflicts

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                That seems to be more of a kick-the-can vote to allow the more conservative churches time to leave.

                “We only voted against human rights so the people who are against those human rights can leave with all their money and property intact, we promise!”

                Man, you’re making these “progressive” churches sound wonderful!

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                  Compromises are useful when you want something. When your side is about to win you don’t blow up the organization unless you have a mental problem.

                  Also, from what I can tell the gay bishops voted for the compromise. If they thought it was the right way to handle it, I am not going to shame them for it.

                  We will see if they make good on it next year.

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                Not that I give a fuck whether the UMC survives, but you are correct. The bigots are leaving the denomination and many/most that left joined the Global Methodist Church.

                The only reason that the UMC wasn’t gay as fuck years ago is because the denomination is global and the African churches are bigoted against LGBTQ+. Their votes plus a fifth of USA congregations was enough to guarantee a schism. They’re just being strategic about the breakup because of how property is owned in the denomination.

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            Giving people shit for a label is bigoted as fuck.

            Only if you have no choice about it. I have zero qualms criticizing people for their choices.

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              From Merriam-Webster:

              Bigot
              : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
              especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

              Synonyms include dogmatist, partisan, and sectarian.

              Here’s an article that may help you to understand why you are a bigot a bit better: https://www.existbetter.co/single-post/2019/04/15/Bigotry-is-a-SymptomHow-to-Handle-a-Bigot

              Hopefully we can eliminate hate of all kinds from this world.

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                Racial or ethnic groups are made up of people who did not have a choice about their race or ethnicity. While indoctrination from childhood can certainly cause a person’s religious views, and work alongside community pressure to keep them pinned in place, ultimately an individual is responsible for their own thoughts. Criticizing someone for what they think is not bigotry.

                Your article link goes to a domain that does not exist.

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                  Maybe it’s blocked in your country. I had no trouble accessing the article.

                  EDIT: Looks like the website got deleted after I linked it. Weird.

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              I think you misread. Cylus was saying it’s bigoted to attack someone because of a label.

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                  I love when religions try to be relatable to the commoners after all the atrocities committed by them or in their names.

                  I don’t know what exactly you meant by this but it sounds a lot like a “Friendly reminder that Christians are evil.”

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          And in some circles tattoos are a no-no, a la leviticus 19:28

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              To keep it straight, remember when Jesus declared all foods clean. He didn’t say “all foods are clean,” he gave a policy basically stating that external things aren’t where sin lies, but internal, which meant that foods are clean. The same can be said of clothing policies, the health code, etc… Sin lives in the heart, and unless you think it’s wrong, marks on your skin generally aren’t going to taint your heart.

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    Is this a joke about child abuse or controlling women? Sorry, I don’t get it

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      A “land of milk and honey” is a place of opportunity where one hopes to find a better life. I first heard the term in the song Nancy from Now On by Father John Misty. After looking it up because of this post, at some point in the Bible Israel is described as a land flowing with milk and honey multiple times.

      LAN is short for local area network and only one letter away from land, so a church naming their wifi “Lan of Milk and Honey” crosses the similar sounding technical term related to the wifi with a biblical term related to the church, thereby achieving a pun. I hope that helps you get it!