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It’s not that these groups are full of true liberals, it’s that much of the population isn’t tolerant of lies and misinformation. So it seems that “conservatives” are being targeted.
The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.
But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system
God, imagine that… we switch to federated and the Nazis can no longer hide behind “Just asking questions” and getting the site admins to bully people.
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And do what? I’m assuming you’re not inciting violence there, friend.
Nazis are dangerous people who support dangerous ideologies, including straight up genocide.
They deserve everything they have coming to them.
This guy is definitely inciting violence, judging by their post history. They’re also really fucking unnecessarily rude from time to time. Goddamn edge lord.
Thanks for showing up as an example of what a sympathizer looks like
That’s a bit of a stretch lol. But good try.
I definitely wouldn’t… stand in your way, let’s say. But come on. 🙂
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Ah, it makes sense now. Looking at your comment history you’re just an edge lord who talks big about murdering people and calling people pussies who won’t “grow up” and murder people.
And you’re really insulting for no reason to a lot of people. Not sure why you feel the need to be that way. I bet you’re not that way in person to people though. Keyboard safety and all that.
You’re the kind of person I wanted to get away from when I was on Reddit. But it’s inevitable at least one of you all would seep through over here on Lemmy, of course.
Holy shit that’s rude. Wow.
They are slowly leaking into lemmy.world, my friends living in .world please try your best to hold your position there. Don’t let them break through
We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.
It’s a good containment zone for the trash.
If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them
TBH I’d rather them leave Twitter just so Twitter doesn’t make money
Twitter isn’t making money anyway
it stopped being about money a while ago, its literally a tool now, not a revenue source.
Or more accuratley, its a weapon, a weapon in the information war. being weilded by the Corpo-Oligarchs, the Fascists, the nazis, the Russian state, and whatever brain-worm is in Elon’s head on any given day. When Elon was forced to buy twitter, he obviously decided “fuck it, im going to use this to exert my will on the world then”. and then a year later, he was doing jumping jacks on stage for Trump rallies.
Fucking
Called
It
the idiots peddling conservatism aren’t going to pay much to twitter and the advertisers who are staying aren’t giving them a fraction of what they Used to get
Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was “Chasing perfection at the cost of the good”.
Reminds me of a meme template.
🤣damn
But why blocking? That person does not just disappear, and if all non insane people block them, they don’t see that most disagree, but thinks all agree
That’s wild given a dictatorship has the whole issue of succession, even with a perfectly benevolent leader they gonna die one day.
haha goddamn
Isn’t it weird how much harder it is for them to tip the scales on Lemmy and Mastodon, platforms without algorithms designed by right-wing billionaires?
To be fair, it took a huge Reddit exodus for Lemmy to stop being full-blown work camp supporting communist. I’m sure if enough to right wing trolls showed up, this place would change again too
We are fortunate then, that the upcoming generation of conservatives cannot read.
That’s a good point, but at least the views would reflect those of the majority rather than being algorithmically-manipulated as on Twitter or Facebook.
The bittersweet end of a successful movement. The public will be better off after Fediverse Eternal September.
WHAT? Are you implying that the rich used the advantage of closed black box algorithms to screw with peoples opinions, motivations and emotions for the goal of enriching themselves both financially and with power‽
Preposterous!/s
Kinda makes ya think… Maybe letting someone else filter the content you see is an inherently biased concept.
I’d rather apply my own biases to my feed, tyvm.
Bias is always present in this type of thing, the critical difference is honesty, openness, freedom to dissent (in theory and in practicality) and integrity of which big tech companies do not even possess a homeopathic amount.
Same story with trust for that matter…
There’s also the fact that the ‘left-wing’ has constant infighting… about how to help people, whereas the ‘right-wing’ are (mostly) single issue voters who don’t care what the other conservatives do so long as they get their thing. So a left-wing ‘echo chamber’ is kind of amusing when you try to imagine a Social Democrat and an Anarchist tacitly agreeing to almost anything.
Is there bias? Sure. What exactly that constitutes seems, to me at least, to be ‘I don’t think people should be in camps/have their rights removed/lose bodily autonomy, or that governments should spend more subsidizing oil and gas than all other areas.’
I agree with the spirit of the point, but I also think it is critically important to SCREAM into the air right now that actually yes we do agree on a whole lot more on the leftwing than rightwing people do amongst their lame circles of hate.
It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses as ‘echo chamber’. Yes this is true and necessary to point out, but also the leftwing simultaneously and not in the least bit paradoxically agrees on way more than conservatives do. Don’t mistake blind compliance with whatever dominant narrative is being broadcast at the moment (hating trans people, being afraid of an “”“”“”““immigrant crisis””“”“”“”", not believing in evolution?? (did that go out of style yet? (sorry I wrote this aside like lisp code))) for a group of people being in true agreement and solidarity.
Interview a bunch of conservatives individually and ask them basic questions about how their espoused values connect with real world policies, actions and circumstances and if you ask about ANYTHING that isn’t the hot topic right now to hate on in conservative circles you will get a random mix of complete and utter amateur speculation and shockingly silly re-imaginings of things that already exist because of problems that have already been solved (i.e. libertarians).
Interview a bunch of leftist individually and do the same thing and you will get basically the same damn answers every time on the important stuff.
Is healthcare a human right?
Yes
Does everybody deserve to earn a living wage?
Yes
Are all people created equal and worthy of empathy?
Yes
Does everybody deserve housing and the ability to live in a decent living situation?
Yes
Is climate change real and are humans driving it?
Yes
Do you believe in the seperation of church and state?
Yes…?
Do you condone any form of racism?
Emphatically no, never. I am an anti-racist which means also resisting structural racism not just overt racism
Are you a feminist?
Fuck off, why are you condescending me, of course I am
Is disability a weakness?
No, blind worship of strength is
Do you support LGTBQ+ people?
entirely
OF COURSE there are exceptions, but by and large do this to leftists and you will get a consistent expression of leftist ideology throughout their beliefs that agrees at a basic level (especially among younger folks) with almost every other leftist you interview, with massive exceptions in the details of course…
There are annoying and bad and toxic people on the left, yes, but let us remember we are much more effective at ensuring we are interacting on a basis of shared values, and we are much louder and much more annoying when people violate those basic values.
It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses.
Yes, I could have been more direct there absolutely. Left-wing discussions cannot become echo chambers because there’s nothing to echo other than ‘help people.’ I’m in a workers assembly, and we constantly disagree on how to make major change. We do all of it, however, while handing out gloves, socks, and toques to the unhoused. We do it while making survival packs with menstrual pads in them for unhoused women. We do it while marching in solidarity with striking workers.
I have never, ever seen a single ‘centrist’ join us in any of these things. No right-wingers, no Centrists, just Marxists, Anarcha-Feminists, Socialists, hell even a tankie once.
The issue we have is that, especially since the 80’s, ‘centrists’ (with the directions of the Right-wing) have tried to make it seem like there’s something ‘extreme’ about the Left-wing. Like there’s some sort of thing to fear, some sort of spooky hidden agenda. The reality is that they can pretend the Soviet government and it’s progroms or the CCP and it’s Uyghur massacre are somehow ‘left-wing,’ and not authoritarian and conservative. Wanting to ‘keep things as they are/have in and out groups’ is a core tenet of Conservatism, which is right-wing. The reality on the left is all of our infighting is about the hows and not the whats. Any infighting the Right has is about the what’s and not the hows. They don’t care how they pay less in taxes, they want to pay less in taxes. They don’t care how they get their religion made into law, just that it happens. They don’t care who gets deported, so long as it’s not them and ‘gets it done.’ They are complete and total amorality, with a singular objective of more for themselves.
Our issue on the left is one of organization (which, as part of an assembly, I have seen live quite a lot) and choosing a path forward. We all know we want to protect 2SLGBTQIA+ people. We all know we want to protect women, children, the unhoused. Do we work with the government, like the Social Democrats want? Do we burn it all down, and rebuild smaller communities, like the Anarchists want? Do we simply reject capitalism, build our communes, and work together there?
Unfortunately right now those are objectives in the far future. We need to survive to that point, and right now, we’re losing. The left in the US hasn’t been something a government would fear to cross since the 70’s. If it should rise up, if it should finally admit that violence is going to happen whether we want it or not, and we have to meet it with violence in return, then we will see change. If Americans follow this guide and make it impossible for Trumps fascist regime to do what they want, then we have a chance. Yet if they don’t, the rest of the world is in for an extremely bad time. We tried voting, we tried peaceful marching, we tried peaceful protests, we tried begging, pleading with them. Our children begged us to stop killing the planet and their very futures, and we refused. The social contract was broken.
What will you do, America? Will you watch yourselves go through what Germany did in the 1930’s, on the back of a climate that is going to absolutely be hell for our children, and their children? When do you stand up and refuse to watch? When do you stand up, and do offline what you do online?
I want so very much to believe you’ll fight.
I am so sad that many of us will have to die defending people who can’t defend themselves, or shouldn’t have to. I plan to die that way, whether taking a bullet for a young girl protesting for her bodily autonomy, a beating meant for an unhoused person who just wants to survive, or a baton meant for a young man in transition who just wants to be left alone. I love you all. <3
If Americans follow this guide
…did you get that from Pig Bodine?
Our issue on the left is one of organization (which, as part of an assembly, I have seen live quite a lot) and choosing a path forward. We all know we want to protect 2SLGBTQIA+ people. We all know we want to protect women, children, the unhoused. Do we work with the government, like the Social Democrats want? Do we burn it all down, and rebuild smaller communities, like the Anarchists want? Do we simply reject capitalism, build our communes, and work together there?
The answer to all of the above is yes I said yes I will Yes.
a longer answer
Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again. It seemed to me I stood by the iron gate leading to the drive, and for a while I could not enter, for the way was barred to me. There was a padlock and a chain upon the gate. I called in my dream to the lodgekeeper, and had no answer, and peering closer through the rusted spokes of the gate I saw that the lodge was uninhabited.
No smoke came from the chimney, and the little lattice windows gaped forlorn. Then, like all dreamers, I was possessed of a sudden with supernatural powers and passed like a spirit through the barrier before me. The drive wound away in front of me, twisting and turning as it had always done, but as I advanced I was aware that a change had come upon it; it was narrow and unkept, not the drive that we had known.
At first I was puzzled and did not understand, and it was only when I bent my head to avoid the low swinging branch of a tree that I realised what had happened. Nature had come into her own again and, little by little, in her stealthy, insidious way had encroached upon the drive with long, tenacious fingers. The woods, always a menace even in the past, had triumphed in the end.
They crowded, dark and uncontrolled, to the borders of the drive. The beeches with white, naked limbs leant close to one another, their branches intermingled in a strange embrace, making a vault above my head like the archway of a church. And there were other trees as well, trees that I did not recognise, squat oaks and tortured elms that straggled cheek by jowl with the beeches, and had thrust themselves out of the quiet earth, along with monster shrubs and plants, none of which I remembered.
The drive was a ribbon now, a thread of its former self, with gravel surface gone, and choked with grass and moss. The trees had thrown out low branches, making an impediment to progress; the gnarled roots looked like skeleton claws. Scattered here and again amongst this jungle growth I would recognise shrubs that had been landmarks in our time, things of culture and of grace, hydrangeas whose blue heads had been famous. No hand had checked their progress, and they had gone native now, rearing to monster height without a bloom, black and ugly as the nameless parasites that grew beside them.
Whenever beating up fascists and their sympathizers is a question the answer is always yes >:3
So much harder to manufacture consent without centralized gatekeepers
That makes me wonder, what comes after decentralized gatekeepers?
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Hey it isn’t nice to beat up people who only want to seriously hurt and maim you, your family and your friends.
Right? What happened to tolerance?
What happened to tolerance is quite clear, to the point that it has a name, it is called the paradox of tolerance.
I had never heard of the paradox of tolerance. TIL
Well, bluesky isn’t the fediverse, but the point stands.
I’m ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification
Part of their marketing seems to be to create confusion about it. Bluesky uses the language and values of the fediverse to promote what is essentially another closed network. Meta is also doing this with Threads. Bluesky seems like a chill place and a lot of decent people seem to be very happy there, and they provide a lot more user controls than other networks, so the comic definitely still works.
I think Mastodon would be what you’re looking for.
Bluesy is a business, Mastodon is a community tool that runs on the ActivityPub (same as Lemmy which is what we are talkin on).
It sort of depends on how you define fediverse. If you mean things using the ActivityPub protocol and are federated with Mastodon, Lemmy, etc. then no, it’s not part of the fediverse. If you mean anything using federated technology then you could possibly include it. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture It uses something called AT instead of ActivityPub. I’m not personally aware of any other services or instances using it, but I also didn’t look very hard.
You’re correct. But blue sky does support federation, just not the same protocol as the fediverse, right?
BlueSky does not support federation in any way that we understand the word.
It is 100% reliant on the corporate server(s). They do offer a way to host your own data, which solves a singular problem with corporate media, which seems to be what they mean when they promote it “supporting federation.” Is also has an open codebase, which is something.
As an aside, I have read in some places that self-hosting is very straightforward, and in other places that it is prohibitively difficult. I have basically no idea about any of these things.
Federation with what?
Chances are, fediverse will end up with right wing instances that only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, left wing will only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, centrists will see all
centrists will see all
I dunno, has this ever actually happened? I think centrists almost universally end up backing the right-wing. Hell, the Centrists were vital in the Nazi’s coming to power, and it literally would not have happened without them.
And the ‘left wing’ is going to be a fractured bunch that overlap slightly, yet Social Democrats, Marxists, Anarcha-Feminists, these ‘left wing’ groups have vastly different ideas of the best way to help everyone, and I don’t see Centrists asking the Anarchists what’s up. Centrists are how we got neo-Liberalism, and ‘well we can’t BAN abortion… but we can limit it unless the woman is…’ They want an ‘inbetween’ in an era when fascists have taken over the most powerful country in the world, with the open backing of fascists/authoritarians in other nations. What’s the centrist response to concentration camps in Guantanamo Bay? What sort of chat will happen between Centrists and the Right-Wing with banning abortion? How about the rights of people transitioning? Because from what I’m seeing, they seem awfully okay with it.
They probably all agree we’re stronger together. Kinda applies to left and right, too. Hence centrists. Yes yes, I know you cant reason with fascists, but I dont think a centrists aim is to recruit the furthest right.
See all, but understand nothing.
You only have to talk sense.
lol. you just got here, huh?
