Norway, Ireland and Spain recognized a Palestinian state on Wednesday in a historic move that drew condemnation from Israel and jubilation from the Palestinians. Israel ordered back its ambassadors from Norway and Ireland.
It was a lightning cascade of announcements. First was Norway, whose Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre said “there cannot be peace in the Middle East if there is no recognition.”
Gahr Støre said the Scandinavian country will officially recognize a Palestinian state as of May 28. “By recognizing a Palestinian state, Norway supports the Arab peace plan,” he said.
Just took a look at the reddit comments on a similar piece of news. It’s a cesspool of just-created accounts up voting each other on pro-Israel comments.
It’s a pity some influentiable people won’t be able to immediately notice that they are bots.
Reddit has been pretty much captured by Israeli propagandists. Lots of single-issue accounts created in the last few months - seems very well coordinated.
That’s not true at all. I never got in trouble on reddit until I started arguing with hamas supporters. Those bans came fast.
“Hamas supporters”
I never got in trouble on reddit until I started arguing with hamas supporters.
Right, right… I guess Israel just couldn’t outspend Hamas on reddit with all their hundreds of billions in US handout-money, eh?
do you mean people critical of the israeli government and the way that the idf are conducting the war? is everyone who disagrees with you hamas?
People or bots supporting hamas is hamas enough. From the river to the sea. You can play nuance armchair quarterback if you want. I don’t.
The Palestinian people deserve to be free from their oppressors. Calling for an end to the insane actions by Israel is not pro Hamas, it’s just pro-human decency.
And anyone saying anything else is supportive of and complicit in genocide and war crimes. Fuck Zionists.
Yep r/worldnews went from condemning Russia for their war crimes on Ukraine to damn near universally praising and supporting Israel’s war crimes on Palestine.
Sadly, I don’t think it’s all bots and propagandists. A lot of them are real people that really do have that level of cognitive dissonance.
Sadly, I don’t think it’s all bots and propagandists.
You don’t need that many bots and propagandists when liberals are so ready to fall in line.
Ukraine didn’t attack Russia first with rapist maniacs. If it did I think you’d find more people would turn a blind eye to Russian atrocities too.
“They committed war crimes first, so we can commit war crimes back!”
That’s the argument you’re using.
To me this is the issue. An elected government attacked its neighbour. Sure they (hamas) used shit soldiers with no plan other than to draw their enemy into a media war and the cost of their citizens and children. But they none the less attacked.
If the tow arms are separate then they should have cooperated with returning hostages.
How nice of you to forget the other 70 years of Israel killing Palestinians.
Both sides have been killing each other for those 70 years. Before that it was just the Jews getting killed which apparently is ok with you
Before that the Zionists, not the “normal” Jews, where doing terrorist attacks on Palestine. Just like they do now. This shit comes from XIX century. And Zionists have always have the same relation with Judaism like AlQaeda with Muslims.
Your comment made me finally go there and check. Wow, the comments here and there are night and day. The most common comment on similar threads is “Norway, Spain and Ireland are showing the world that terrorism works”.
If terrorism didn’t work, the CIA wouldn’t do so much of it.
Reddit has been taken over by US-government bots.
You could have stopped at “cesspool”.
Did not expect Spain on this list, good for them!
Nobody expects the Spanish recognition!
Leave.
You forgot the “take my upvote and” part
We don’t do that here. :P
It will take a while before we can shake off the redditisms, I think. But I’m with ya
Recently, Spain declined a ship carrying weapons to Israel to use their port.
Not thanks to the P$0€.
Do you think this may have something to do with the declining votes for the Catalan separatist parties?
No idea. I suppose Catalan and Basque separatism is quite different from Palestinian. Maybe it’s due to Spains proximity to the Arab world?
Those parties are in the current Spanish government. Also the issue of independence is talked about less. Hence this is possible.
Weird, but I guess modern times. Back in the days they got rid of Jews, Muslims and what they considered the wrong type of Christians.
Back in the days
Back in the day, Spain was also the first to go to war against European fascism.
edit: Oh look - downvotes. I guess somebody must be really upset that anyone would dare raise a finger against fascists…
I wonder who that could be.
In 1492, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castille issue the Alhambra Decree, mandating that all Jews be expelled from the country
Between 1492 and 1610, some 3,000,000 Muslims voluntarily left or were expelled from Spain
The autos de fé of the mid-century virtually put an end to Spanish Protestantism, which was, throughout, a small phenomenon to begin with. After 1562, though the trials continued, the repression was much reduced. About 200 Spaniards were accused of being Protestants in the last decades of the 16th century.
The Spanish Inquisition was a judicial institution that lasted between 1478 and 1834. Its ostensible purpose was to combat heresy in Spain, but, in practice, it resulted in consolidating power in the monarchy of the newly unified Spanish kingdom.
The true reason of the Alhambra Decree was that the kings had to return a lot of money to the Jews and the fastest way to cancel that dept was to kick them out using the religious card. Just like France did to the Templars.
Back in the day is half a millennium ago.
Unlike some countries, they saw the error of their ways.
Spain has XXI century Western Values, unlike the US which seems to have never entered the XXI century when it comes to Humanist values and Israel which at best has the Western Values of early XX century Germany.
Ireland in particular makes sense. They know a thing or two about territorial disputes.
Modern Ireland is an absolute shit show tho.
I haven’t seen a bigger nation of virtual signaling government being completely at odds with their population. It’s a glorified tax heaven and I no longer wish to call it my home. I have voted with my wallet and moved out.
Irish history is messy and very few even bother to look deeper into it.
frankly, I don’t know of many countries, if any, whose government isn’t at odds with its population.
Haiti (no government anymore)
What about the Irish govt is virtue signaling? Genuine question, I don’t know much about Ireland except for the Civil War.
Edit: gonna go ahead and say the lack of response means you’re talking out of your ass.
They are still right on this specific issue though
I have voted with my wallet and moved out.
You sound like white South African “expats” that fled to go live in some Whitetopia.
Why? How is it a race thing?
guy who has only seen south african expats, watching his second emigration: getting a lot of “south african expat” vibes from this
I didn’t say it’s a “race thing” (whatever that means) for Captain-I-Hate-Ireland up there… I said they sound no different than the whiny white ex-South Africans that fled to rich western countries but can’t stop whining about South Africa.
They probably are super insecure in their decision and need infinite amounts of stranger confirmation or smh
Expected Ireland but was surprised by the other two. Good for all three countries.
Are Norwegian people pro-Palestinian or is this just the government? Any Norwegians here?
Most people are anti genocide at the very least. The only person that I personally know that has vocally supported Israel was part of the political party FRP (think wannabe republicans/Trump supporters).
I don’t know the actual demographics, but I can say one sees a lot of Palestinian support in the streets. Many demonstrations and such. But I think the issue has gone well past the former xenophobic line. Seems to me many people I would have otherwise expected to be opposed to antizionists are still like, “maybe genociding children isn’t the right thing to do.”
Afaik both of them. It’s very good that they do this, more governments should follow, and more people should rally together to do this.
In my country on the other hand, the people are solidly pro-Palestine, but the government is way too Israel-oriented.
My own view is that ideally, both countries should be recognised and Israel should retreat from all West Bank and Gazan territories, as well as the Golan heights.
CIA-backed coup in 3, 2, 1…
In Norway, Ireland and Spain? Jfc
Yes
*an historic move
No, it was actually correct. A historic move.
No. Fuck that and fuck you. The H is in history is not silent. It is a consonant.
