The Russian Federation wants to defederate from the Internet lol
It’s the Russian Defederation now
Good luck with that. Maybe they can join North Korea‘s server.
Russian here. This is a super old claim from our government and is a common source of jokes, it’s even called “Cheburnet” (from Cheburashka) colloquially, nobody really treats such claims seriously. Last time Russian government tried to influence internet was when they struggled to ban telegram for several years, and ended up giving up, endorsing it, and moving their official resources to it.
If you can’t beat them, join them.
No it’s not. This is similar to “Russia trying to have a new moon program”. Not happening ever.
The first part may happen, the second part - ahahaha.
I live in Russia.
“Russian trying to build its own LAN” is the way I read it lol. You can’t have “inter” with no other peers.
Large intranets are not a problem (that’s how it was in the beginning in many places, rather fast and unlimited access to LAN resources, chats etc, but slow and expensive to the Internet), it’s just that nothing inside Russia is going to be self-sufficient.
Also every dick without balls in a chair will try to get some control or share or get a bribe or just prevent this from happening so that his relative or something would get the contract.
This wasn’t a factor with the large Internet being accessible (unbeatable competition), but will be with intranets (or a countrywide intranet). Nothing will get built. In the 90s such dicks simply didn’t understand that this is a good business, so they allowed it to grow (still all the major telecom providers that survived had some connections with FSB etc, or so people say).
Removing russia from the internet would solve many problems for everyone else just not Russia
Reading the article that isn’t the goal.
They are working on controlling access to the wider internet. The goal is to push people off of western services on to ones they control. This is so they can control the information their citizens see
They wouldn’t stop Russian bot farms or hacking.
…with hookers, and blackjack?
In fact, forget the Internet.
Кому нужен интернет, когда есть блэкджек, шлюхи и водка?
imagine being a kadyrovite in that situation. gambling is haram, vodka is haram, and worst of all - no tiktok
Well, now we know who will take a wild ride toward Moscow if the project succeeds.
no they’ll get stuck in traffic
then they’ll release a cringy video of them patrolling empty, barricaded bridge
I hope they don’t, all the best torrent sites are Russian.
Almost like they’re literal fascists just like China!
Okay, while I’m not a fan of a fragmented internet, I am a fan of losing all the russian trolls that plague many parts of the internet and online gaming. Counterstrike and similar games will lose their saltiest players too!
I am not a fan of millions of Russian citizens being in a walled garden of censorship however
Why?
I don’t wish it for me but what if the Russian people is not against it?
That’s a problem only they can address
That’s a problem only they can address
Just to be clear, you just break two russian laws and if we was on smth like VKontacte (russian facebook, bought by government via mailru long time ago) and you was russian citizen in russia, you could be sentenced for prison from 12 to 20 years. I’m skidaddle skadoodle from russia year ago, and that was a best decision in my whole life. Sadly, not every one can leave at this point, cause europe (even when they allowed to get visa) was too expensive for average russian and smth close and more affordable, like China, Kazakhstan, etc., not too much better then russia.
What two Russian laws were broken? Can you elaborate on them a bit?
It will be a bit easier for me, if you can check for yourself via translator. I use firefox TWP extension to translate sites from lang I do not know.
So, there it is, link 1, law that usually used as “appendant” for a case. Any hatespeech against goverment was determent by this law, before specific ones was introduced: link2 for example.
link3 by this law you can also get up to 5 years of prison, that one actually not so often used, but you can check for yourself, there was a list of sued people, cant find it right now. Upd. Found it! Upd1. I didnt notice until now, but site that tracked everyone, who was illegally sentenced to prison, have been liquidated in 2022 apr 5. So, it’s not updated since then and do not have people who was recently got sued.
But that all just child play, cause last couple of days they caught people link4, link5 by this law, also know as treason. Especially funny to hear that about trans dude, who just donated own money to Ukrainians military forces.
Also, if you “mass media” of some sort, or just more popular, then a stone from a road, you got this as a bonus.
List can go on, when I said about “laws that was broken” I meant only first and link4, cause they more often used, if police just need a case.
So, as you can see, Russia is a wonderful country, 10 out of 10, would never live there ever again.
Wow man this is wild.
50 euro can get you free trip to sanatorium for up to 20 years!
This will be obviously all in the name of authoritarianism. Will the Russian Federation people benefit or will this be a means to control information? Note that my criticisms leveled against Russia could apply to Amurica as well. We Amuricans seem to have wet dreams of Christo-Fascism.
Good thing everyone can have guns. /s
That way we can simply do nothing because only one political party is encouraging its constituents to arm up while the other wants everyone to disarm. Guess which side will win?
I’m genuinely uncertain what your actual position is here, but yes, liberals and leftists do need to arm up. /m/LiberalGunOwners seems relevant here.
I don’t know what their position is either, but “arming up” isn’t going to do anything against a modern, relatively competent military. Back in the time the second amendment was written (as an example) there wasn’t that big a disparity in the resources the military could use and normal people. The citizens were less organized but had numbers on their side.
Today, there is absolutely nothing you can do with a gun vs drones, bombs, planes, etc. The only way you really prevail is if the government isn’t willing to slaughter its own citizens and guns aren’t helping there at all. In fact, the opposite may be true since it makes it easy for the government to label the people shooting at their officials as terrorists.
So, all of this is wrong, but also beside the point. The main point of arming up is so that we don’t all get murdered by fascists. I don’t mean that in the sense that fascists will take over the government, and then use the state apparatus to exterminate us. The murdering happens before and during their seizure of political power.
So, all of this is wrong
“You’re wrong” does not constitute a counterargument.
The murdering happens before and during their seizure of political power.
So the scenario is fascists are just roaming around murdering liberals at a point before they seize political power? What are the police doing? If the police are looking the other way, the fascists already have political power. So what you’re talking about doesn’t seem at all realistic.
Even if we look to one of the most extreme examples in history -Nazi Germany - it still didn’t happen remotely like what you’re apparently concerned about.
I’ll go ahead and respond to your other post as well:
I’m not talking about the value proposition of having a gun for dealing with run of the mill crime.
This makes the value proposition look even worse. At least run of the mill crime has a semi-realistic chance of happening. Doing something that has negative value in normal times and only pays off if something very extreme like civilization breaking down occurs is kind of irrational.
because “guns bad”.
You’ll get further in life if you don’t make a straw man out of positions you don’t agree with. Although, admittedly, you can get pretty far on straw men and Gish gallops.
Anyway:
We’re (Americans) in a situation where we’re faced with an active and armed fascist movement, and those who would oppose that movement have systematically disarmed themselves because “guns bad”.
If we basically have to worry about warlords wandering around killing people at will then civilization already is done.
What’s your plan for when they decide to remind us that “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”?
I don’t plan my life around everyone being raptured away, aliens landing or civilization completely breaking down. It’s irrational to make real sacrifices or do things that require a meaningful tradeoff/risk to avoid such unlikely events.
What’s your plan for when they decide to remind us that “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”?
I’m pretty sure Mao didn’t mean “If you have a gun, you have political power” with that quote. The original quote was “以后要非常注意军事，须知政权是由枪杆子中取得的”. It’s not talking about random citizens with guns, it’s from the perspective of leading/governing countries.
Rather than get locked in a “someone is wrong on the internet” cycle, let’s put a pin in this. We’ve both read each others points, and found them unconvincing. Whatever audience we might hope to sway has thinned out. On reddit I would have just silently walked away at this point, but the threadiverse is small and we’re likely to encounter each other again.
I’m guessing that our disagreement just comes down to a liberal vs leftist divide, and possibly also American vs European. We’re not likely to bridge those as random internet commenters. So, TTFN.
Participation in the conversation is completely voluntary so it’s completely up to you if you want to respond.
We’ve both read each others points, and found them unconvincing.
You didn’t really argue your point though. You said “You’re wrong” and “… But what if bad stuff happens?” It’s not like we had an actual debate here. Maybe you didn’t find the points I made compelling, but at least I tried to explain my reasoning for reaching that position.
but the threadiverse is small and we’re likely to encounter each other again.
Any negative perception I have toward you personally really doesn’t have anything to do with the actuall disagreement, but your approach to “discussing” it. “Because guns bad”, “don’t bother consulting your canned talking points”, etc is not a good-faith approach to debate. If you actually care about fostering good relations in a fairly small community where you may run into people again, I’d suggest reexamining your methods.
I’m guessing that our disagreement just comes down to a liberal vs leftist divide
I don’t think so. My position and what I’m arguing (although possibly incorrect) is purely based on what I see as the reality of the situation. A belief about whether guns are effective for preserving freedom against the government/fascists/whatever doesn’t have anything really to do with politics.
and possibly also American vs European.
Which one of us is supposed to be the American and which one is supposed to be the European?
They just want to remove their citizens from the internet, not themselves. It’s too useful for disinformation and general fuckery.
